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Steroids killing young men.
- Thread starter Johnnie Walker
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Johnnie Walker
Borderline Kunce
If you say so grandpa
D1cko
Extra Large Member
I think in some articles, not just this one...people will interpret it differently...some people will actually read it and take it completely different way. That's what I meant by people hear what they want to hear....
These days I barely read anything that mentions a 'study' because they are nearly always irrelevant and usually yield the results they're looking for anyway. I could rig any study to achieve the results I want to see....
I was actually on your side for this one
These days I barely read anything that mentions a 'study' because they are nearly always irrelevant and usually yield the results they're looking for anyway. I could rig any study to achieve the results I want to see....
I was actually on your side for this one
Goosey
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spot on
Goosey
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Poppy
Rugby88
I have Ep1c Calendar kunce
This would prob be more so from Growth Hormones I would say - not from the steroid use.
spartacus
Well-known member
actually it was from anabolic steroids.
http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20100427/anabolic-steroids-may-weaken-the-heart
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1768197/
http://www.webmd.com/fitness-exercise/news/20100427/anabolic-steroids-may-weaken-the-heart
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1768197/
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Johnnie Walker
Borderline Kunce
Yeh gear can cause it, but so can training..
how is he now?
how is he now?
Johnnie Walker
Borderline Kunce
[MENTION=10208]aljada[/MENTION]; is there any easy way to get your heart checked?
Johnnie Walker
Borderline Kunce
[MENTION=10208]aljada[/MENTION]; is there any easy way to get your heart checked?
Johnnie Walker
Borderline Kunce
Well checkes for any obvious sign of problems..
Rugby88
I have Ep1c Calendar kunce
how do they know it was caused by steroids? Not stirring just asking how they link it simply to that and no other factors?
Couple of different ways you can have your heart checked for different things.
First and simplest is an ECG. Any GP can do that in their office. That looks for abnormalities in the electrical system of your heart. For someone using gear, the worry with an ECG is atherosclerosis causing blocked cardiac arteries leading to chest pain and possibly heart attacks in the long term. Cheap and easy though, no reason not to ask your doctor to do one, especially if you've been feeling suddenly dizzy or missing beats or anything.
Second is a stress ECG. You normally have to go to a large hospital or a cardiologists for that because no-one else can be fucked having a bike/treadmill taking up space and doing the tests themselves, they take a while. This one is usually done for people who have some chest pain, but no changes on the basic ECG. You do it to find some changes to see if you go on to the third test. Probably not an important one for you.
Third is an angiogram. This one is only done in major hospitals in a specialised theatre, usually by cardiologists. Catheter gets put in through the femoral artery, goes up to the heart, you pump in dye and have a look at the arteries under x-ray. Lets you find blockages very accurately. No reason for you to go anywhere near this without serious symptoms.
Fourth is an echocardiogram. This is a specialised ultrasound of the heart that looks at the shape, size, flow of blood and how the valves are working. This one is another important one for guys on gear to have, as it gives you an exact measure of how much of the blood that's getting into your heart is going on into your body (ejection fraction). That's the major worry with androgen use and hearts (apart from the atherosclerosis). Secondarily to that, it will let them have a look at your valves, which can get stretched and start being shit. Much harder to get done though. Anyone who understands steroids will be happy to send you for one and most GPs should do it whether they understand steroid use or not. If they don't, go to another one. Important test for you to have done, even if you don't have symptoms at the moment. At the very least, you want to see what it looks like now so that in 5 years time (assuming the result is good, less if it's bad) you can get it done again and see any changes or deterioration by comparison.
There's some other ones like stress echos and technetium/thallium scanning but really, the two you should be worrying about are ECG and echo. From memory, a set of guidelines for steroid users I read once suggested ECG every 6 months-2 years and echos every 5, but I'm not sure of those.
First and simplest is an ECG. Any GP can do that in their office. That looks for abnormalities in the electrical system of your heart. For someone using gear, the worry with an ECG is atherosclerosis causing blocked cardiac arteries leading to chest pain and possibly heart attacks in the long term. Cheap and easy though, no reason not to ask your doctor to do one, especially if you've been feeling suddenly dizzy or missing beats or anything.
Second is a stress ECG. You normally have to go to a large hospital or a cardiologists for that because no-one else can be fucked having a bike/treadmill taking up space and doing the tests themselves, they take a while. This one is usually done for people who have some chest pain, but no changes on the basic ECG. You do it to find some changes to see if you go on to the third test. Probably not an important one for you.
Third is an angiogram. This one is only done in major hospitals in a specialised theatre, usually by cardiologists. Catheter gets put in through the femoral artery, goes up to the heart, you pump in dye and have a look at the arteries under x-ray. Lets you find blockages very accurately. No reason for you to go anywhere near this without serious symptoms.
Fourth is an echocardiogram. This is a specialised ultrasound of the heart that looks at the shape, size, flow of blood and how the valves are working. This one is another important one for guys on gear to have, as it gives you an exact measure of how much of the blood that's getting into your heart is going on into your body (ejection fraction). That's the major worry with androgen use and hearts (apart from the atherosclerosis). Secondarily to that, it will let them have a look at your valves, which can get stretched and start being shit. Much harder to get done though. Anyone who understands steroids will be happy to send you for one and most GPs should do it whether they understand steroid use or not. If they don't, go to another one. Important test for you to have done, even if you don't have symptoms at the moment. At the very least, you want to see what it looks like now so that in 5 years time (assuming the result is good, less if it's bad) you can get it done again and see any changes or deterioration by comparison.
There's some other ones like stress echos and technetium/thallium scanning but really, the two you should be worrying about are ECG and echo. From memory, a set of guidelines for steroid users I read once suggested ECG every 6 months-2 years and echos every 5, but I'm not sure of those.
Johnnie Walker
Borderline Kunce
Ive had multiple ecg's done over the years from being admited to a&e for other things. Im guessing they were all ok as nothing was ever said? Comin up 3 years since last one.
Im a bit warry about admitting steroid use as i still may join the police one day and they check medical records.
Think a gp would send me for the tests while omitting the reason? Or am i just gona have tell them straight? I would like to know there is no issues before i continue tk juice my balls off, im not totally wreckless lol
Im a bit warry about admitting steroid use as i still may join the police one day and they check medical records.
Think a gp would send me for the tests while omitting the reason? Or am i just gona have tell them straight? I would like to know there is no issues before i continue tk juice my balls off, im not totally wreckless lol
Johnnie Walker
Borderline Kunce
Do you think the stop start training/juicing over the years will be positive or negative for causing any health issues? Multiple times ive crashed back to being a skinny **** and stayed there for 1 year + .. You know my general history
I'd say you're always better off telling the GP. The GP should be willing to not add it to your records and just remember it, but you may want to check that first.
No clue on what effects having gone off and on so much could have. I'd guess only reproductive, but I don't really have a clue.
No clue on what effects having gone off and on so much could have. I'd guess only reproductive, but I don't really have a clue.
BrisVegasGhost
Elite Member
Does any one personally know of anyone who has actually died when on cycle?
I know plenty of people who have had heart attacks and strokes from poor lifestyle choices and eating, smoking and drinking habits.... I' sure we all know someone in this category.
I know plenty of people who have had heart attacks and strokes from poor lifestyle choices and eating, smoking and drinking habits.... I' sure we all know someone in this category.