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Where has all this come from?

Rugby88 said:
I have a simple question and just to be clear I am not posting this to stir the pot or start something but just a simple question -

Where has all the information come from regarding such things as IIFYM? not eating every 2-3-4 hours? The idea that eating 400ml of ice cream instead of a steak will still draw the same results etc etc...

I am just interested to see where this all started and how, why it started - and why eating a clean healthy diet is now classed as a conspiracy theory?

Now we all know (if you have been in the fitness/bodybuilding/powerlifting etc industry) for a while that the old eating plenty of protein, fats, etc every through hours has been done for years since before Arnold was around - and it has been proven to work through real-life testing i.e people follow this sort of way of eating/training and it draws results - just look at the millions of athletes, bodybuilders etc who have follow that way of thinking and eating. You would have to say that due to the real-world results we see that it works? Wouldnt you?

My question is we can clearly see how the "classic" "conspiracy theory" methods work due to whats in front of us - what we have witnessed over the last 50-60 years in the industry...but where has this new way of thinking come from? Who has developed it? and where are the hundreds of thousands/millions of people who follow it and their results?

I know there are a handful of fantastic bodybuilders out there who follow such methods of IIFYM and thats great but a handfull next to millions just isnt really a postive test for these methods.

People brag about them and everything but I just need to know where its come from and how/why it will draw the same results if not better than the more "classic" "conspiracy theory" methods.

Peace.
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Makes me laugh as well, but as others have pointed out what one person considers healthy is not what others may consider healthy.

What is right for a person depends on goals, gaining weight, losing weight, adding muscle, adding strength, getting ripped, maintaining, etc etc all require a different diet. Plus peoples bodies will react differently to different diets and everyone has different food preferences. I don't really like stuff like chocolate, chips and junk food anyway, just does not appeal to me, does nothing for me, so these people suggest I am missing out on something by not eating McDonald's make me laugh. It makes me dry reach just smelling Mcdonald's most of the time.

Had some Macca's a few weeks ago as I was on the road for work and it was all there was, bought a double cheese burger meal, ended up taking a bite from the burger and I threw it back in the take away bag, ended up eating the chips and having the drink (got a shake), the meat in the burger is just vile, tastes like pet mince with sugar on top. Not sure how anyone can suggest that it is food.

I personally think most people that eat this rubbish have no taste buds left, and their taste has been killed by the processed foods they eat, as the McDonald's sugar buns just taste horrible mixed with meat, it like sugar on mince meat.
 
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Big Mick said:
I personally think most people that eat this rubbish have no taste buds left, and their taste has been killed by the processed foods they eat, as the McDonald's sugar buns just taste horrible mixed with meat, it like sugar on mince meat.
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I thought the buns were off last time I tried maccas, all soft and sugary as shit. But then my friend who loves this crap tasted it and said it was all right. Unbelievable.. it really did remind me of mince sandwiched sponge cake.

Tried HJ's.. same sort of deal. KFC, had 9 pieces for $9, then spent the rest of the day sculling water cos all the salt made me thirsty as hell.
 
Jungman said:
I thought the buns were off last time I tried maccas, all soft and sugary as shit. But then my friend who loves this crap tasted it and said it was all right. Unbelievable.. it really did remind me of mince sandwiched sponge cake.

Tried HJ's.. same sort of deal. KFC, had 9 pieces for $9, then spent the rest of the day sculling water cos all the salt made me thirsty as hell.
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I can eat 2000 calories at maccers and be hungry an hour later....

Il eat 300g chicken breast with home made mushroom sauce and a salad and it keeps me going all night without even thinking of another meal.
 
Big Mick said:
Makes me laugh as well, but as others have pointed out what one person considers healthy is not what others may consider healthy.

What is right for a person depends on goals, gaining weight, losing weight, adding muscle, adding strength, getting ripped, maintaining, etc etc all require a different diet. Plus peoples bodies will react differently to different diets and everyone has different food preferences. I don't really like stuff like chocolate, chips and junk food anyway, just does not appeal to me, does nothing for me, so these people suggest I am missing out on something by not eating McDonald's make me laugh. It makes me dry reach just smelling Mcdonald's most of the time.

Had some Macca's a few weeks ago as I was on the road for work and it was all there was, bought a double cheese burger meal, ended up taking a bite from the burger and I threw it back in the take away bag, ended up eating the chips and having the drink (got a shake), the meat in the burger is just vile, tastes like pet mince with sugar on top. Not sure how anyone can suggest that it is food.

I personally think most people that eat this rubbish have no taste buds left, and their taste has been killed by the processed foods they eat, as the McDonald's sugar buns just taste horrible mixed with meat, it like sugar on mince meat.
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Mick you don't like Maccas. We get it, who cares, you must feel so awesome and above anyone who likes Maccas. Good for you. We all like different foods, that's why there are so many choices for all of us.


Also if you knew you didn't like maccas then why did you go full retard and buy it. Seems like a waste of money to me.
 
Big Mick said:
Again you must have not read my post as it explained it quite clearly.
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What so you were going to starve to death. Clearly not because you threw it in the bin. If you don't like the burgers why the fuck buy them. I didn't think It would be that difficult. It must be that common sense being rare thing you keep talking about.
 
Probably not to death, but I was tied up with work, had not eaten for 4 hours or so, was starving, Maccas was there nothing else around, no prospect of food for another 4-5 hours, so it seemed like an option for a quick feed on the run.

Obviously has reinforced my lesson to pack my lunch box with some food and take it with me, which I usually do, can't even remember why I had no lunch with me that day.
 
This is how I see it. If you have ever at any point counted calories or calculated your daily macro-nutrient (protein, carbohydrates, fat) requirements then you are inadvertently fitting macros. IIFYM has recently become a term more widely used throughout the industry. IIFYM is the concept of allowing you to utilize what is referred to as flexible dieting, stepping away from the dogma extremist bodybuilding mentality of “you gotta eat chicken, broccoli and rice 6 times a day if you wanna get lean.” It’s no longer, certain foods are always “bad” and certain foods are always “good”. Notable that it is very possible to get fat eating chicken, broccoli and rice. Though as with most things people will take it to the extreme, it is these very people misusing and taking advantage of its actual meaning that has lead to its negative stigma. It has been touted as the ‘lazy’ way of dieting/living. As I see it statements like these couldn’t be further from the truth. What's so lazy about calculating macro set ups and weighing everything you put in your body.

IIFYM originated in an American forum sub-section of Nutrition. It was simply a phrase/meme that somebody made up. In this Particular forum many people would post up questions such as “can I eat cheese?”, “will eating Hot Chips ruin my diet?” So the phrase came about, “If It Fits Your Macros, Eat That Shit”.
The idea of discretionary calories has been around for decades. Mike Mentzer was well known for eating ice-cream every day, even in the last weeks of competition preparation. The idea of flexible dieting has also been around for quite some time. Experts who specialise in the field of nutrition and body composition have been discussing and recommending this long before the term IIFYM.
 
The term IIFYM was started by ErickStevens on BB.com as a quicker way to answer the question of "can I eat XYZ food?"

Hope that helps.
 
myst said:
IIFYM has it's roots in Layne Norton eating baked lays potato chips during his contest prep and Alberto Nuneuz having pop tarts, this is where I believe it started anyway. Mostly over at bodybuilding.com

The message those two very talented individuals were trying to spread is that you can be slightly flexible with a contest diet, but not completely off the rails like some people have taken it. People then took approaches such as meeting your minimum protein / fats for the day and then filling the remaining calories with whatever you like.

As with all things, the middle ground approach works best. Anyone who has done a true contest diet knows that there is no way you can continue to eat chocolate and ice cream deep into contest prep, as the fat content will be off the charts. However you can start substituting for low fat variations of ice cream or yoghurt and still meet your calorie requirements for the day.

I've seen guys do intermittent fasting for 36 hours so they can fit 1.5 days worth of food into a single helping, thousands of calories worth of whatever they like and this also works for them.

Personally, IIFYM was what finally made me successful in completing a contest diet, because I knew I could add a piece or two of chocolate each day until my fat content was really low, or I could have some low fat ice cream when I felt like it and not derail my diet. It psychologically allowed me some freedom whilst also achieving low bodyfat levels.

End of the day, just ignore all the crap out there, people will be arguing until the end of time on the right approach, just do what works for you and reach your goals.
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Fantastic post mate and it does explain alot and pretty much gets to the core of the questions I raised - it is refreshing to hear someone explain it without a underlaying attack on other ways of dieting/eating - as some members here and on fb/other forums do.
 
Thanks man that means a lot, I like to think I have a no bullshit approach to lifting / dieting which I am sure you do as well. I really don't know why people are so far in either corner, or if they are why they need to attack other people about it. Just let your results on stage, in the gym or on the platform do the talking not your keyboard hey!

Now it's time to go bench!
 
myst said:
Thanks man that means a lot, I like to think I have a no bullshit approach to lifting / dieting which I am sure you do as well. I really don't know why people are so far in either corner, or if they are why they need to attack other people about it. Just let your results on stage, in the gym or on the platform do the talking not your keyboard hey!

Now it's time to go bench!
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Totally agree.

I'm all for IIFYM but you can't disregard micros and fibre. When you think about them also, the majority of your diet tends to come from whole unprocessed food unless you are a massive unit bulking :p
 
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