I think you'll find Pendlay doesn't have his athletes do bench, unless they are kids, novice, or as Swervyn-Ervyn said, for the right athlete. He doesn't just prescribe to every athlete that walks through the door as you are suggesting
I believe you'll find that pressing will improve your bench, not the other way around.
As I said, I'm going to go with personal experience (which was what my post was all about in the first place) and what Greg has written fits with what I have found personally. If you want to bench, snatch and clean and jerk, then go for it, let me know how it works out for you.
Just out of interest, what is your best snatch (full snatch, not power) and best clean and jerk (full clean, not power, and split jerk)?
Let's look at it objectively.
Which muscles are doing the mechanical work when performing the barbell bench press?
And it's not the pec's.
Is and should the barbell bench press, as an exercise be a simple exercise?
I didn't suggest that Pendlay gave a blanket prescription to bench at all. I said that Pendlay has his athletes bench. "unless they are kids, novice, or as Swervyn-Ervyn said, for the right athlete."? Well no shit he prescribes the right exercise for the right athlete.
I said that a novice needs to get strong, so you're saying that bench is a bad choice unless you're doing it for the reasons why I already said it was good? The bench will drive up the press and vice versa. If you're stronger then you're stronger.
I really wouldn't bring in the appeals to authority either mate, you can't carry that shit off to someone who muscle snatches your worksets and muscle cleans more than your max without having trained the traditional lifts a day in his life
Is the consensus thinking that the bench press is not a requirement for the oly lifter?
If that is the case, then you're all drongos.
The main issue seems to be that benching makes your pecs tighter than any amount of stretching can unfuck (even if you're benching once a fortnight) and that a sport where the object is to lift the most weight has anything to do with being strong is absurd
I didn't suggest that Pendlay gave a blanket prescription to bench at all. I said that Pendlay has his athletes bench. "unless they are kids, novice, or as Swervyn-Ervyn said, for the right athlete."? Well no shit he prescribes the right exercise for the right athlete.
I said that a novice needs to get strong, so you're saying that bench is a bad choice unless you're doing it for the reasons why I already said it was good? The bench will drive up the press and vice versa. If you're stronger then you're stronger.
I really wouldn't bring in the appeals to authority either mate, you can't carry that shit off to someone who muscle snatches your worksets and muscle cleans more than your max without having trained the traditional lifts a day in his life
I thought this thread was about weightlifting shoes
Is the bench a good exercise for someone that can't C+J 140kg yet? Absolutely. A novice will really lack pressing power, you can't rely on shoving the weight up alone- at some point you'll be shoving up more than you can support, even in the push press
Farks me how a bigger bench will help someone clean more weight...but seriously, tell me more...
Pie?
It's a press... it helps with the jerk
Clips of awesome don't seem to be loading...
Oh, you think that I think I snatch and clean and jerk more than anyone else on here so my word is as good as gold. The old biggest bloke in gym must know what he is talking about, right? Wrong, what I was looking at here is the difference in shoulder flexibility required for a full depth snatch/overhead squat. I know my lifts aren't nothing special, I've said that already.
You seem to be angry young lad that feels like he needs to be right about everything, bit insecure maybe? Maybe just a dickhead? I dunno. As I have said many times in the discussion, I'm talking about myself and what I feel like I need and require. You want to keep talking about blokes you have seen on YouTube. If you want to bench press the house down to improve you snatch and clean and jerk, do it.
Farks me how a bigger bench will help someone clean more weight...but seriously, tell me more...
I think the point you are missing is at our level, that of pretty shitty lifters (lets be honest) that getting stronger period will make you better at the O lifts.
I can tell you, and this is in all seriousness if you trained hard in the power moves for 6 months and ate big you could return to O lifting and better your current lifts.
All the fancy bullshit coach advice does not apply to people who aren't athletes.
Get strong first, then get skilled in and start training specifically for your sport.