Overanalyzing

[Brick]

This is lifted from Chaos & Pain Blog spot thought you guys might appreciate the share.

ChAoS & PAIN: I Am Not A Superhero #2

This likely comes as a tough pill to swallow for the lot of you, but the only thing that's going to get your weights to rise is hard fucking work. Picking the right program, using the right form, having the right gym... that's all ancillary bullshit that will help, but cannot take you where you want to go without the necessary mindset driving the whole thing. Basically, most people are trying to build a Ferrari from the ground up but are too busy fucking with the paint and the stereo to bother putting anything under the hood bigger than a lawnmower engine. It'd be like preparing your entire life to bang 100 chicks in a row, getting tan, hitting the gym, making sure your hair looks right and reading the Kama Sutra, only to realize when you get there that you're gay and cannot get hard in the presence of women. The whole fucking thing is ass-backwards, but most people think that the mere fact they talk and stress about the details of lifting so much that the rest will take care of itself.

 

[bradsky]

That's right, there's probably alot of people blaming poor results on everything else but effort and dedication. the rest is just fluff really.

9 times out of 10 I feel physically drained and sick after the gym. that is where it will all count.

 

[TrentZor]

good analogy..

 

[dave]

Spread this message around the gym all the time, doesn't seem to sink in to a lot of people though.

 

[wingman]

That's right, there's probably alot of people blaming poor results on everything else but effort and dedication. the rest is just fluff really.

9 times out of 10 I feel physically drained and sick after the gym. that is where it will all count.

I agree with you. However some might say you spend an hour in the gym and 23 outside of it so these will have more impact?

 

[bradsky]

I agree with you. However some might say you spend an hour in the gym and 23 outside of it so these will have more impact?

Ok hard work and good rest and diet are the bricks and mortar, the rest is trivial.

But you have to work fkin hard as hell in the gym, when I trained at a commercial gym, myself and most people around me didn't train hard enough.

Plain and simple

 

[RyanF]

Sure, a lot of people get caught up in the small details that don't have a huge impact on things (or only have an impact after the more important things are covered), don't really put a lot of effort into the actual training and consequently get nowhere. But there's also plenty of people who train very hard consistently and get nowhere. Before I read Starting Strength in 2010, I had trained to failure on almost every set on almost every exercise for 5 years, on programs that weren't brilliant but weren't completely retarded, either. If doing an exercise to failure 3-10 times a week, week in week out, month after month, year after year, isn't hard work, I don't know what is. Yet, to this day, my strength levels are what a lot of the members of this forum would consider fitting of someone who joined the gym last Thursday.

I'm not having a cry here, btw, I'm just saying....I can't see how "You're not progressing, therefore you just need to man up and train harder" could have possibly been an appropriate prescription to my 15-20yo self, since I don't see how I could have possibly trained harder without going full retard, and I don't presume myself to be a special case, so there's probably plenty more people for whom this is also the case.

 

[0ni]

we could all do with a little full retard

 

[wingman]

Sure, a lot of people get caught up in the small details that don't have a huge impact on things (or only have an impact after the more important things are covered), don't really put a lot of effort into the actual training and consequently get nowhere. But there's also plenty of people who train very hard consistently and get nowhere. Before I read Starting Strength in 2010, I had trained to failure on almost every set on almost every exercise for 5 years, on programs that weren't brilliant but weren't completely retarded, either. If doing an exercise to failure 3-10 times a week, week in week out, month after month, year after year, isn't hard work, I don't know what is. Yet, to this day, my strength levels are what a lot of the members of this forum would consider fitting of someone who joined the gym last Thursday.

I'm not having a cry here, btw, I'm just saying....I can't see how "You're not progressing, therefore you just need to man up and train harder" could have possibly been an appropriate prescription to my 15-20yo self, since I don't see how I could have possibly trained harder without going full retard, and I don't presume myself to be a special case, so there's probably plenty more people for whom this is also the case.

Thanks for sharing, that was an interesting read for me. I'm curious, what motivated you to continue when you weren't getting results?

 

[Darkoz]

What is this full retard you speak of?

 

[wingman]

 

[RyanF]

Thanks for sharing, that was an interesting read for me. I'm curious, what motivated you to continue when you weren't getting results?

Enemies. As a child I was always the weakest, least athletic, socially awkward kid. At school if you didn't bully me, you were in a minority. And that wasn't just out of boys in my classes, that was out of the entire school, especially in primary school. When I was 12 years old, I decided I'd had enough of being weak and being abused simply because the other kids had the power to abuse me. That was when I first started doing push ups and pull ups, then a little while down the track I did martial arts, then a little further down the track I got my first gym membership. From the age of 12 through til some time after I'd finished high school, there wasn't a time when I wasn't trying to do something -- anything -- with whatever resources I had to try and get stronger, because the alternative -- willingly remaining weak -- was not an acceptable option, period. It didn't matter if it was going to take me a year to add 5kg onto my bench press, in my mind I couldn't afford not to do it.

What is this full retard you speak of?

I don't know, all I know is you never go full retard.

 

[TrentZor]

Full retard to me is wanting to picking up a dumbell and smashing the bro-curler with it because he is in your squat rack.

 

[0ni]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6WHBO_Qc-Q]Tropic Thunder (5/10) Movie CLIP - Never Go Full Retard (2008) HD - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Darkoz]

Tropic Thunder (5/10) Movie CLIP - Never Go Full Retard (2008) HD - YouTube

Haha I knew I heard that full retard from somewhere, funny movie!

 

[Brick]

Sure, a lot of people get caught up in the small details that don't have a huge impact on things (or only have an impact after the more important things are covered), don't really put a lot of effort into the actual training and consequently get nowhere. But there's also plenty of people who train very hard consistently and get nowhere..

Negative, most of those people convince themselves they are training hard when they have heaps more left in the tank. Don't underestimate peoples ability to lie to themselves, especially about the level of their committment or workload in the gym.

 

[Goosey]

I'm certain that one is more likely to overtrain doing long Less intense exercise than a short brutal session going to fatigue on every set at a fast pace over a protracted time.
in other words...
When the intensity of an exercise is increased, the amount of exercise must be reduced.* When you train harder, you must train less.
I also agree with the observation and statements that as one gets stronger and/ or "learns" to train harder, it is necessary to decrease, not increase the volume and/or frequency of training.
And that rest is as important as training stimulation.
This is all not new but got lost during the 60's and 70's due to the flood of supplement advertising and muscle magazines and of course steroids, and people wanting results "now"

The intensity of work is directly related to tangible results.


This is why I go on about how the workout is key

In that with very intense training, you don't have to force yourself to eat.

It happens automatically.
Your body, now wanting to grow, kicks in and makes you hungry almost every hour or two.*

Bananas, milk, roast beef, ice cream, peanut butter, lollies, protein bars: almost anything that's not moving away looks interesting.*

And after eating 300-400 calories -- you then want to take a nap!

When I use the word *intense* that means the traininee has gone to complete muscular fatigue on the set safely, moved to the next set with minimal rest.
If this is done correctly, the workout is short and You should find it necessary to sit down.* If you merely “feel like” sitting down, then the set wasn’t hard enough.

 

[Darkoz]

I'm certain that one is more likely to overtrain doing long Less intense exercise than a short brutal session going to fatigue on every set at a fast pace over a protracted time.
in other words...
When the intensity of an exercise is increased, the amount of exercise must be reduced.* When you train harder, you must train less.
I also agree with the observation and statements that as one gets stronger and/ or "learns" to train harder, it is necessary to decrease, not increase the volume and/or frequency of training.
And that rest is as important as training stimulation.
This is all not new but got lost during the 60's and 70's due to the flood of supplement advertising and muscle magazines and of course steroids, and people wanting results "now"

The intensity of work is directly related to tangible results.


This is why I go on about how the workout is key

In that with very intense training, you don't have to force yourself to eat.

It happens automatically.
Your body, now wanting to grow, kicks in and makes you hungry almost every hour or two.*

Bananas, milk, roast beef, ice cream, peanut butter, lollies, protein bars: almost anything that's not moving away looks interesting.*

And after eating 300-400 calories -- you then want to take a nap!

When I use the word *intense* that means the traininee has gone to complete muscular fatigue on the set safely, moved to the next set with minimal rest.
If this is done correctly, the workout is short and You should find it necessary to sit down.* If you merely “feel like” sitting down, then the set wasn’t hard enough.

Now that sir was a great post
Common sense and experience prevails!

 

[bradsky]

how much weight did you gain Ryan, how was your diet?

one of the things that I did when I was young was not eat enough, definitely not enough protein.

you must get the basics right,

the whole Idea is that there may be more people that trained for years, that haven't gained. But instead of looking at the big picture, they start doing 21's or dropping 2 reps per set.

when you think you can do no more, do 3 more. and eat food.

 

[Goosey]

Now that sir was a great post
Common sense and experience prevails!

Thanks Darkoz
We know and have talked It's about the journey not the destination, and that the "goals" constantly change.