13dmaa vs speed

[strong enough?]

Your dosage is probably too small to register, plus i am assuming you are getting piss tested which is notoriously inaccurate. It will show up as amphetamine in a hair folicle test or mouth swab if you ingested close to the time of the test.

Rule of thumb for drug test on a stim is if your buzzing you will test positive if your not you won't. But thats another subject entirely.

Just thought I should mention for the parolees or truckies thinking about trying it aboive the recommended dose.

As I understand it, ASADA's testing profile specifically includes DMAA and analogous substances. It doesn't get picked up by the amphetamine test. In fact, when the first athletes that received suspensions for DMAA use, DMAA was not specifically banned by WADA. Tuaminoheptane, which is a nasal decongestant and a strong stimulant, was banned alonger with anything chemically similar. DMAA was being picked up in athlete tests as a substance chemically analogous to tuaminoheptane.

After preworkout supps containing DMAA started getting popular in about 2009, WADA then moved to include DMAA on the prohibited list.

Urine tests done by ASADA will detect DMAA at extremely small amounts. So small that use of out-of-comp (the day before) have been detected during in-comp tests. DMAA is only banned by WADA in-comp, but tested athletes are warned against using DMAA at all in case residue remains during in-comp testing.

One example was an INBA bodybuilder who got caught with DMAA on comp-day - I can't think of any reason why on earth he was using a pre-workout supp on comp day and query whether stimulants have any performance-enhancing effect on comp day in a "sport" where you are judged on performance and not athletic performance, but thats another story.

I also dispute that piss testing is less accurate than hair testing. Residue potentially stays in hair longer, but there's a reason why WADA does blood and urine only, and not hair testing. Of course you've also got the Ben Cousins strategy available to cheat hair testing - shave off all your hair.

 

[Brick]

As I understand it, ASADA's testing profile specifically includes DMAA and analogous substances. It doesn't get picked up by the amphetamine test. In fact, when the first athletes that received suspensions for DMAA use, DMAA was not specifically banned by WADA. Tuaminoheptane, which is a nasal decongestant and a strong stimulant, was banned alonger with anything chemically similar. DMAA was being picked up in athlete tests as a substance chemically analogous to tuaminoheptane.

After preworkout supps containing DMAA started getting popular in about 2009, WADA then moved to include DMAA on the prohibited list.

Urine tests done by ASADA will detect DMAA at extremely small amounts. So small that use of out-of-comp (the day before) have been detected during in-comp tests. DMAA is only banned by WADA in-comp, but tested athletes are warned against using DMAA at all in case residue remains during in-comp testing.


I also dispute that piss testing is less accurate than hair testing. Residue potentially stays in hair longer, but there's a reason why WADA does blood and urine only, and not hair testing. Of course you've also got the Ben Cousins strategy available to cheat hair testing - shave off all your hair.

Clearly your up to speed with the technical aspects of testing, I will give you what I know from other peoples experiences with both workplace and parole condition testing.

You cannot cheat hair folicle test unless you shave your head aka Cousins style. Residual is there for upwards of three months I have heard (unsure of exact). You can foil piss tests (at least the workplace kit ones) by drinking bulk water in the lead up to your test (provided it isn't random, think employment conditional medical etc). I have been told it has to do with your kidneys simply passing the water through clean as you are already saturated.

I don't know the mechanics I just know alot of fiends that have passed pre employment or parole piss tests they shouldn't have. I have no doubt ASADA's test is better then the $3 throwaway your employer will use which will not differentiate between DMAA & amphet.

 

[strong enough?]

With ASADA testing, they test for specific gravity of samples on the spot. If you dilute your urine, they will pick it up in the specific gravity test and you have to sit and wait until the water is out of your system and they can test properly. It also works the other way if you're dehydrated and can't produce a large enough sample.

The testing officer can actually wait with you as long as it takes. There are stories of elite athletes having a testing officer chaperone them overnight before they could produce an adequate sample!

 

[Ngpj]

Mate u say that your going to have 1/2 to 3/4 of a gram of dmaa then go out drinking on it, given that the recomended dose is between 25-50mg you will be taking anywhere around 20 times a normal dose then hitting the piss on it... Why do you think its now being banned?? people are doing shit like that and hurting themselves on it, now none of us will be allowed to use it anymore

 

[Brick]

Mate u say that your going to have 1/2 to 3/4 of a gram of dmaa then go out drinking on it, given that the recomended dose is between 25-50mg you will be taking anywhere around 20 times a normal dose then hitting the piss on it... Why do you think its now being banned?? people are doing shit like that and hurting themselves on it, now none of us will be allowed to use it anymore

It makes no difference mate it was gonna be banned anyway.

As i said in another forum that dosing is similar to what someone would take in amphetamine and i can tell you the dmaa is only probably half as potent.

The reason it is been banned is cause soldiers on the us army were taking jacked before forced marches after a big night on the piss and having strokes. Of course it was the dmaa that caused it not going on a 14 hr pack march after a night of druging and drinking.

 

[Figjam Brah]

WTF is 'bombing it'??

Keep us updated though man, if you do continue this lol.

Stay safe..

 

[ride29er]

I had a poorly measured dose, im guessing 50mg, and it gave me more or a buz then i got off speed, pupils were the size of my whole eyes, felt like my heart was going to explode, although my heart rate was low, it was nuts, i can see why they are using it as a party drug, I was so alert and was talking fast, similar aftertaste to speed as well, same chemical taste, stock up lads before it hits the black market, if you are going to use it i highly suggest you get some good scales

 

[Brick]

WTF is 'bombing it'??

Keep us updated though man, if you do continue this lol.

Wrap it in a tally ho and swallow

Stay safe..

I had a poorly measured dose, im guessing 50mg, and it gave me more or a buz then i got off speed, pupils were the size of my whole eyes, felt like my heart was going to explode, although my heart rate was low, it was nuts, i can see why they are using it as a party drug, I was so alert and was talking fast, similar aftertaste to speed as well, same chemical taste, stock up lads before it hits the black market, if you are going to use it i highly suggest you get some good scales

It suprised the shit outta me. I just thought it was all a media beatup but the stuff is potent.

 

[wingman]

Mate u say that your going to have 1/2 to 3/4 of a gram of dmaa then go out drinking on it, given that the recomended dose is between 25-50mg you will be taking anywhere around 20 times a normal dose then hitting the piss on it... Why do you think its now being banned?? people are doing shit like that and hurting themselves on it, now none of us will be allowed to use it anymore

Oh no, you won't be able to buy it. How will you ever be able to workout ever again?

 

[Darkoz]

What is the meaning of this 'bombing' ?

I have 100g of the stuff in my fridge

 

[wingman]

What is the meaning of this 'bombing' ?

From the context, I'm guessing bombing = large dose. I want to know also.

Edit - looked it up on the interwebs, it's wrapping the powder into something (like paper, plastic) so that it can be swallowed like a tablet.

PS, you have 100g? That's like 500 doses?

 

[Brick]

Bombing, the art of taking a particuarly large dose wrapped in tally ho paper. Why cause it tastes like shit and its the only way to get it in without tasting it.

 

[ride29er]

bombing?? isnt that wrapping it in that thin paper, similar to baking paper, and swalling the whole thing

 

[Darkoz]

From the context, I'm guessing bombing = large dose. I want to know also.

Edit - looked it up on the interwebs, it's wrapping the powder into something (like paper, plastic) so that it can be swallowed like a tablet.

PS, you have 100g? That's like 500 doses?

Yes, I bought it a few months ago and tried it twice before a workout.
I took about 100mg each time but because I workout at the end of the day I couldn't get any sleep that night.
I can see it being similar to speed especially not being able to get to sleep, which I don't like so I haven't taken it since.
And yes it tastes revolting!

 

[Darkoz]

Oh, and not to mention the worst side effect which is probably the main reason I stopped taking it, speed dick!

 

[CaT_SPeW]

Snort it too don't drink it

 

[Jungnaut]

you should just parachute it man

 

[GHOSTrun]

have you guys ever taken creatine before?

My cousin took it and got huge. His kidneys died though and he was in hospital for 6 weeks.

natural? I don't know.

hahaha

 

[Bazza20]

I've tried it. Had 3 times the recommended dose and didn't notice anything. Seems overrated to me.

 

[JUICE JUNKY]

Posted this on another forum and got well flamed thought you guys and gals might be interested.

So got 5gm 13dmaa powder to see what all the fuss was about, the shits been all over the news lately & I wanted to try it before it got banned.I used to use a bit of speed many many years ago (been a decade since I gave it a nudge), seeing as chemically 13dmaa isn't supposed to be that far removed from real speed and the media keeps calling it an amphetamine alternative I thought I would do a little comparison on how it actually compared to my experiences.I didn't have scales so I just dosed out what looked like a couple points then doubled the amount (roughly double what you would bomb in good speed to get charging).I was actually surprised at the potency, it came on quick and I definitely felt very speedy, had alot of the same feelings. Clammy hands, hyper alert, very chatty wanting to talk alot of shit, full of confidence, cotton mouth, rushes.

*I would say it is like getting average speed that has been cut a couple of times. Definitely wasn't buzzing for as long as on the gas, after an hour and a half it was over and there was none of that awake feeling you get from amphetamine after the rushes are over. Also wasn't moorish like speed didn't have the urge to dip back into the bag 30 mins later.*

This stuff isn't quiet speed but it is very similar in it's effect. I am gonna have a play with dosing and report back on the results. I am considering bombing 1/2 - 3/4 of a gram and seeing how it goes when I go out drinking.Don't know if any of you give a shit but thought I would share.

Please proceed with your flaming i am expecting it.

dude thats a long post lulzz......i'll be right back..........in a few hours lol!