Goosey
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Good post
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Good post
I do find it weird how quickly my shoulders were noticably bigger but my chest didn't see much change. I guess I just keep on keeping on until I see change everywhere.
Another point was that my quads saw some of the best definition I have ever seen through my squats. I got so excited I sometimes posed in front of the mirror at the gym. I still feel like a tool for doing that.
walt
DuffProteinMan
From Bill Starr - Rotator Cuff
About your behind the neck press Mickdog
Another major cause of rotator cuff damage is behind-the-neck exercises. That's especially true for younger trainees and those who haven't yet established a solid strength foundation. The shoulder girdle simply isn't designed to move in that direction, and when you add resistance, the situation becomes more risky. Behind-the-neck presses, chins and pulldowns all place your rotator cuffs in jeopardy. I've been harping on that fact for years, but the message hasn't gotten across to many. All of those exercises are just as productive when performed to the front and not at all risky, so why tempt the gods? It's a gamble you're not going to win.
One of the problems with behind-the-neck exercises is that when you do feel the pain in your rotator cuff, it's too late. Now, if you combine sloppy form on the bench with one or more behind-the-neck movements, you're heading down the unhappy road to a rotator cuff injury'where recovery is not always swift and you could require surgery.
About your behind the neck press Mickdog
Another major cause of rotator cuff damage is behind-the-neck exercises. That's especially true for younger trainees and those who haven't yet established a solid strength foundation. The shoulder girdle simply isn't designed to move in that direction, and when you add resistance, the situation becomes more risky. Behind-the-neck presses, chins and pulldowns all place your rotator cuffs in jeopardy. I've been harping on that fact for years, but the message hasn't gotten across to many. All of those exercises are just as productive when performed to the front and not at all risky, so why tempt the gods? It's a gamble you're not going to win.
One of the problems with behind-the-neck exercises is that when you do feel the pain in your rotator cuff, it's too late. Now, if you combine sloppy form on the bench with one or more behind-the-neck movements, you're heading down the unhappy road to a rotator cuff injury'where recovery is not always swift and you could require surgery.
That is why I changed to db or bb press.
Goosey
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I see no problem with the exercise, it's where you hold the bar when you squat right?
I think the so-called rotator cuff issue is a product of too much movement around the shoulder.
There were not many issues before the barbell bench press became a favourite.
Peanut
New member
Umm, I change up every 6ish weeks. But at the moment it looks something like this:
Seated over-head DB press - 4x6
Military Press - 3x8
Cable laterals (tri-set) - 3x12,12,12 - that's 6 for side, front and rear (bent over) laterals.
The cable laterals are really quite light weight, I just enjoy the burn it gives me.
Another favourite though is the 45 degree laterals. Go 25-50% lighter on these than regular DB laterals.
Oh and I like to shrug on shoulder day too.
Seated over-head DB press - 4x6
Military Press - 3x8
Cable laterals (tri-set) - 3x12,12,12 - that's 6 for side, front and rear (bent over) laterals.
The cable laterals are really quite light weight, I just enjoy the burn it gives me.
Another favourite though is the 45 degree laterals. Go 25-50% lighter on these than regular DB laterals.
Oh and I like to shrug on shoulder day too.
So you don't bench, overhead press, row or anything like that??
I don't think anyone was suggesting otherwise.
dandexter
New member
Ceffo said "Not specific shoulder only excercises like military press .. "
Anyway doesn't matter.
The Hamburgler
Spotter Loader
DBs held on an angle are fine, even push presses where my legs do the initial work aren't too bad (though lowering them can be an issue),
My shoulders get enough work from other exercises to be worrying too much about military pressing
I do all the big upperbody movements, chins, rows, bench, Mill press etc, and in 2.5years my front/side delts have exploded and rear delts are very under developed and I'm starting to slouch forward.
From now on my only shoulder work will be rear delt flys and indirect work from pressing movements, no more mill press.
From now on my only shoulder work will be rear delt flys and indirect work from pressing movements, no more mill press.
contradiction
, please explain? Or is it just things work differently for different people and bodies?Military press 2x/week for me, and I'd like to think rows and chins take care of my rear delts...