How to reach super low bodyfat levels

[Christian]

Is there many people interested in competing here?

I dont think any of us are actually interested in bodybuilding persay..

From what i have seen majority are health/fitness/strength/power orientated with looksas a bonus...

 

[Gauche]

I'm interested in doing it after a few more years of growing. I certainly wouldn't plan on winning one due to the Ronnie Coleman body changes of todays bodybuilders but it would be good to have a physique good enough to hop on stage.

This forum is very much about strength training and I'm one of only three people in my gym who even care about a dead lift let alone do one. I would like to hit some strength goals then move into a BB routine full time.
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[BigJim]

Is there many people interested in competing here?

One of my long term goals is to get up on stage and give it a go. I have a long way to go before i am able to do something like this and i guess it all depends on how my body reacts to losing so much weight skin wise.

Would just be something to prove to myself it could be done.

 

[Gauche]

Would just be something to prove to myself it could be done.

Love your dedication!

 

[dave]

Jim I think skin wise you would be good, you are not losing weight drastically and are replacing weight lost with muscle too. Plus it's not like you were 180kg now is it so if you put it all together you should come out great. A few stretch marks are not visibile with a tan unless you get really close up. Good luck with the goal, people with set end goals like that usually do well. Maybe once you are under 100kg you can set a date for a comp and work towards it.
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[k_21]

Here is an example of my last competition diet leading into the show

Upon arising (do not eat)
caffeine (200mg)
cardio
45mins


If anybody is interested in getting "ripped" remember it's not genetics that gets you there it's hard work but it's not hard if you enjoy the journey

Hi all,

I find the above facinating. That is
I have heard that you burn 300% more body
fat if you undertake cardio in the morning
without any food.

Can anyone here prove this claim? Eg: have
practical experience in doing it and achieved
fat loss faster than any other method?

My fat loss from the gut is sub-par at the
moment.

Thanks
Devante.

 

[BigJim]

Love your dedication!

Jim I think skin wise you would be good, you are not losing weight drastically and are replacing weight lost with muscle too. Plus it's not like you were 180kg now is it so if you put it all together you should come out great. A few stretch marks are not visibile with a tan unless you get really close up. Good luck with the goal, people with set end goals like that usually do well. Maybe once you are under 100kg you can set a date for a comp and work towards it.
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Thanks guys

Fingers crossed at this stage Dave. Im not heaps worried about stretch marks i just want to be able to have a tight enough midsection to not be ashamed of loose skin.

Thats the plan, i want to get to 100kg and then reassess what i need to do.

Thanks for the encouragement fellas

 

[Marzz]

Devante -

13 weeks out from comp, when I did my depletion cycle, part of the routine was a 45 min brisk walk / cardio on an empty stomach every morning.

The reason being, that the body will burn what ever is present quickest for energy, and having an 'empty' stomach means it will go for for the fat stores in your body and burn them.

That was what I was taught, and combined with about 4 litres of water throughout the day (to keep my metabolism going) really helps you shred.

Once again, for the sake of n00bs - I am saying that's what I did, not what I am saying YOU must do

 

[lkt004]

The reason being, that the body will burn what ever is present quickest for energy, and having an 'empty' stomach means it will go for for the fat stores in your body and burn them.

Any proof behind this?

FYI, water has very little to do with your metabolism.

 

[Marzz]

I was told this by my trainer and the guys running Nabba, and as I said, it worked for me.

Sorry if that doesn't agree with your thinking, but I get the feeling this website is very anti- bodybuilding, and I am starting to regret the decision to ever donate to it.

 

[lkt004]

Don't cry because someone disagrees with what you said. I am not anti-bodybuilding, if someone posted that in the weightlifting section i would have said the same thing.

 

[dave]

I do not think people are anti body building, some just disagree with certain methods.
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[derkaderka]

Any proof behind this?

FYI, water has very little to do with your metabolism.

Even mild dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%, Marzz stating that you need to drink enough water is correct.

Dehydration Does have an impact on your metabolism very much so

 

[derkaderka]

Devante -

13 weeks out from comp, when I did my depletion cycle, part of the routine was a 45 min brisk walk / cardio on an empty stomach every morning.

The reason being, that the body will burn what ever is present quickest for energy, and having an 'empty' stomach means it will go for for the fat stores in your body and burn them.

That was what I was taught, and combined with about 4 litres of water throughout the day (to keep my metabolism going) really helps you shred.

Once again, for the sake of n00bs - I am saying that's what I did, not what I am saying YOU must do

long cardio sessions are a definite as part of a "cutting"
diet if you want to drop into the low single digit bodyfat numbers

 

[lkt004]

Even mild dehydration will slow down one's metabolism as much as 3%, Marzz stating that you need to drink enough water is correct.

Dehydration Does have an impact on your metabolism very much so

I didnt write that post very well. pretend it never happened.


I would love to see some conclusive evidence that cardio on an empty stomach burns more fat than normal, i have always been of the beleif that if you train with no food, the body will use muscle as its first source of energy rather than fat, due to the fact that muscle is not essential too life. Feel free to prove me wrong though.

 

[Christian]

It speed up your metabolism it is a stimulant, now doubt it will run your metabolism at a higher rate.. but at what cost? That is the argument..

 

[haz]

some food for thought

The Fasted Cardio Roundtable
Featuring Christian Thibaudeau, Dr. Lonnie Lowery, David Barr, and Dr. John Berardi

also this from Alwyn Cosgrove

2) FASTED CARDIO Are you ****ing kidding me? Seriously, are you ****ing kidding me? Why are we even talking about this?
Let's take two twins, both 200lbs, both doing the same training program, taking the same supplements, and following the same nutrition plan in the hopes of getting lean.
One difference, though: one of them eats 2 eggs and does 30 minutes of cardio three days per week. The other does 30 minutes of cardio, three days per week and THEN eats 2 eggs.
So what's the magical difference in terms of fat loss after six months? Drum roll please...
I'll tell you — no ****ing difference.
However, whenever you bring up this question we get a ton of responses saying, "This is exactly the information I needed!". Oh **** off. The reason you are still fat is because you couldn't decide to do cardio on an empty stomach or not?
30 minutes of steady state cardio will burn about 300 calories. Three times per week — 900 calories. Add that up for 26 weeks and we get a whopping: 23,400 calories.
Or 6.6 lbs of fat.
In six months.
If doing it fasted, burned 30% more (which it doesn't), you're looking at another 2lbs of fat in that same six month period.
Or an additional 0.07 pounds per week.
And for those of you who say — I do fasted cardio but I have a small scoop of protein first, then you're NOT DOING IT FASTED THEN, ARE YOU?
Fat people finish marathons all the time. Aerobic training doesn't do a hell of a lot for real world fat loss. Even if you're hungry.

 

[dave]

I think Marzz point should have been it will keep his metabolism from decreasing due to dehydration. Just needed to be worded better or explained better by his trainer.

You can argue all day long whether empty stomach light 'cardio' (walking) is better at using fat or if it will use more muscle. But at the end of the day while derka is in cutting mode it may be his best option. When I am home I am going to go through some journals and see if there is anything about protein metabolism due to fasting available. Pretty much all arguments are in theory but theory can be used both ways. Glucagon promotes live glycogen use, cortisol promotes fat use, they both promote more protein metabolism (not known at what rate), protein as a fuel source is spared over fat until extremes in energy levels are reached (most research is on marathons etc). At the end of the day it may be they lose 600g of muscle but lose 2kg of fat while doing fasted walking or it could be 200g of muscle with only 1.5kg of fat after eating something. Yes you have lost 400g more muscle but you have lost 500g more visible body fat. This is all hypothetical though. If my phone wasn't going to die I would research it now, if anyone else wants to go to the trouble please be my guest.
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[derkaderka]

It speed up your metabolism it is a stimulant, now doubt it will run your metabolism at a higher rate.. but at what cost? That is the argument..

Marzz and i were talking about dehydration not the fact that i had caffeine in my diet, which i'll add i drink water during my cardio sessions to offset the dehydration effect from caffeine

 

[derkaderka]

I think Marzz point should have been it will keep his metabolism from decreasing due to dehydration. Just needed to be worded better or explained better by his trainer.

You can argue all day long whether empty stomach light 'cardio' (walking) is better at using fat or if it will use more muscle. But at the end of the day while derka is in cutting mode it may be his best option. When I am home I am going to go through some journals and see if there is anything about protein metabolism due to fasting available. Pretty much all arguments are in theory but theory can be used both ways. Glucagon promotes live glycogen use, cortisol promotes fat use, they both promote more protein metabolism (not known at what rate), protein as a fuel source is spared over fat until extremes in energy levels are reached (most research is on marathons etc). At the end of the day it may be they lose 600g of muscle but lose 2kg of fat while doing fasted walking or it could be 200g of muscle with only 1.5kg of fat after eating something. Yes you have lost 400g more muscle but you have lost 500g more visible body fat. This is all hypothetical though. If my phone wasn't going to die I would research it now, if anyone else wants to go to the trouble please be my guest.
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I agree people are trying to split hairs here. I did my comp diet i ended up with a low bodyfat that was my goal and it was achieved. Noobs people can take or leave the caffeine it's up to them