estrogen conversion?

[Christian]

Effects of methandienone on the performance ... [Clin Sci (Lond). 1981] - PubMed - NCBI
Several studies done at 100mg a day for 6 weeks showed no adverse effects
There was a study done before this one as well by the same people in the same year but I can't find it
In that study Body fat did not go up significantly and Fat Free Mass went up anywhere between 2-7kgs (3.3kgs average gain)



I didn't take that dose and taking arimidex would be pointless anyway

Pros
1.used a decent level of the drug
2. duration was similar to that used in real life

Cons
1. study 1981
2. how were adverse effects monitored? Self reported?
3. 7 weight training males. (who seasoned weight lifter is going to winge they are getting 100mg dbol day)

;Thats like a bodybuilder going to the dr and being asked if the 200mg tren they are taking daily has caused any effects. NO will be the answer.

 

[Darkoz]

Is this real life?

Cue music............

You're traveling through another dimension -- a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's a signpost up ahead: your next stop: the Twilight Zone!

 

[Rugby88]

Pros
1.used a decent level of the drug
2. duration was similar to that used in real life

Cons
1. study 1981
2. how were adverse effects monitored? Self reported?
3. 7 weight training males. (who seasoned weight lifter is going to winge they are getting 100mg dbol day)

;Thats like a bodybuilder going to the dr and being asked if the 200mg tren they are taking daily has caused any effects. NO will be the answer.

lol ZINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

 

[0ni]

Pros
1.used a decent level of the drug
2. duration was similar to that used in real life

Cons
1. study 1981
2. how were adverse effects monitored? Self reported?
3. 7 weight training males. (who seasoned weight lifter is going to winge they are getting 100mg dbol day)

;Thats like a bodybuilder going to the dr and being asked if the 200mg tren they are taking daily has caused any effects. NO will be the answer.

So... I don't see what the point is here
Would you rather the study be done on untrained subjects who did leg extensions? lol
I've never even seen anything that suggested 100mg of dbol a day causes adverse effects. Plus there are loads of liver support drugs, the people involved in the study would have noticed if anything bad happened.
6-8 weeks of dbol won't cause liver damage, no way at all. It's hepatoxic yes but not worse than drinking, not by a long shot and 6 weeks? 6 years yes but not 6 weeks.

Going back to the original point, 100mg a day for 6 weeks will give little sides

 

[dave]

Pros
1.used a decent level of the drug
2. duration was similar to that used in real life

Cons
1. study 1981
2. how were adverse effects monitored? Self reported?
3. 7 weight training males. (who seasoned weight lifter is going to winge they are getting 100mg dbol day)

;Thats like a bodybuilder going to the dr and being asked if the 200mg tren they are taking daily has caused any effects. NO will be the answer.

Did you read the ending (I just got the abstract):

The finding of increased body nitrogen suggested that the weight gain was not only intracellular fluid. The increases in body potassium (436 +/- SEM 41 mmol) and nitrogen (255 +/- 69 g) were too large in proportion to the weight gain (2.3 +/- 0.4 kg) for this to be attributed to gain of normal muscle or other lean tissue, and imply gain of nitrogen-rich, phosphate-poor substance. Although this action of methandienone might be described as anabolic, the weight gain produced is not normal muscle.

What is not normal muscle

 

[0ni]

Did you read the ending (I just got the abstract):



What is not normal muscle

lol, does that mean glycogen storage? I missed that part

 

[Christian]

lol, does that mean glycogen storage? I missed that part

It was abnormal muscle...

cue srs face.

 

[Christian]

So... I don't see what the point is here
Would you rather the study be done on untrained subjects who did leg extensions? lol
I've never even seen anything that suggested 100mg of dbol a day causes adverse effects. Plus there are loads of liver support drugs, the people involved in the study would have noticed if anything bad happened.
6-8 weeks of dbol won't cause liver damage, no way at all. It's hepatoxic yes but not worse than drinking, not by a long shot and 6 weeks? 6 years yes but not 6 weeks.

Going back to the original point, 100mg a day for 6 weeks will give little sides

No im saying its about as reliable as me believing a 200kg women only eats 1300kcal daily because thats all she reported in her food journal.

Critical thinking caps on people.

 

[Christian]

Did you read the ending (I just got the abstract):



What is not normal muscle

I couldnt find the whole thing or links to it at all?

I wants abnormal musclez also.

Synthol?

 

[0ni]

No im saying its about as reliable as me believing a 200kg women only eats 1300kcal daily because thats all she reported in her food journal.

Critical thinking caps on people.

Well it's all I have on the subject + people on forums having run dosages like that and not having serious side effects

I know it's not much but it's more than the otherwise

 

[_Gruph_]

My first cycle a few yrs ago was dbol only. I pyrimided up to 40mg per day for 6 weeks which was recomended to me by an oldschool bodybuilder who I believed cos hed been juicing since the 80's.. Wen I finished I couldnt get a hard on for 2 weeks and I was depressed for 3 weeks. Wat an idiot I am for it. Imo wondering if i was ever gona b able to get a hardon again for 2 weeks is the worst side affect I hav ever experienced. When I read u say 100mg dbol only no sides?? Ill tell u as a fact I kno thats bs broseff

 

[0ni]

did you run PCT?