I've been lifting for 10 months now. In that time ive put on 20kg (75-95) and I think my lifts are decent enough that I can give my 10c.
Something that strikes me is the excessive amounts of food proposed in the bodybuilding world - Rippetoe has his 4L of whole milk a day and if your food intake is anything below 7000 calories someone on bb.com is bound to call you a pussy. The 'eat big' slogan seems to be everywhere.
Now dont get me wrong, I can see a lot of guys this would apply to - my high school was full of skinny kids who ran around all day and ate nothing but space food sticks. I imagine this is exactly the sort of thing they need.
However, I think you're average male, particularly once into their 20s, is going to blow up sumo style on this kind of diet. In my impatience for muscle gain I followed this kind of advice in periods, but nowhere near the extent they suggested. there were times Id either drink 3L of lite milk, eat a 1kg of meat or go to mcdonalds for big macs 2-3 times a week (never did these simultaneously) and whilst I did make some 'great gains' they were never lean ones.
I dont think the average australian diet is miles away from bodybuilding standards. Say your average male eats:
Breakfast - 8 weetabix, 2 glasses of milk
Lunch - 2 pies and a can of mother
Dinner - 2 servings of whatever mum makes
Lets say you changed it up a bit -
Breakfast - 8 weetabix, 2 glasses of lite milk, scoop of whey
Lunch - 2 buns, salad and 200-300g of chicken breast
Post workout - 2-3 glasses of lite milk and a scoop of whey
Dinner - 2 servings of whatever mum makes
This is the kind of diet I had when my gains were slower and leaner. Its not expensive, inconvenient or miles away from the average diet, and would probably suit those 30+ as well as those of us who dont have insane metabolisms.
I wish I had this diet from when I started off. I would have had to be content with only a 10-15kg gain, but I would have been far leaner. lets be realistic, unless you're going through puberty or have been malnourished for years this is all you're going to put on. No you say, Rippetoe has kids who gained 20kg+? go to woolworths and buy 20kg worth of rump steak, take it home and lay it out on your kitchen bench - you'll see that much gain of 'lean muscle' is a lot to expect of your body in a year.
But you can bulk up and then do a cut? trust me, when your natural and not doing a boatload of cardio losing weight is a lot harder than its made out to be.
opinions?
Something that strikes me is the excessive amounts of food proposed in the bodybuilding world - Rippetoe has his 4L of whole milk a day and if your food intake is anything below 7000 calories someone on bb.com is bound to call you a pussy. The 'eat big' slogan seems to be everywhere.
Now dont get me wrong, I can see a lot of guys this would apply to - my high school was full of skinny kids who ran around all day and ate nothing but space food sticks. I imagine this is exactly the sort of thing they need.
However, I think you're average male, particularly once into their 20s, is going to blow up sumo style on this kind of diet. In my impatience for muscle gain I followed this kind of advice in periods, but nowhere near the extent they suggested. there were times Id either drink 3L of lite milk, eat a 1kg of meat or go to mcdonalds for big macs 2-3 times a week (never did these simultaneously) and whilst I did make some 'great gains' they were never lean ones.
I dont think the average australian diet is miles away from bodybuilding standards. Say your average male eats:
Breakfast - 8 weetabix, 2 glasses of milk
Lunch - 2 pies and a can of mother
Dinner - 2 servings of whatever mum makes
Lets say you changed it up a bit -
Breakfast - 8 weetabix, 2 glasses of lite milk, scoop of whey
Lunch - 2 buns, salad and 200-300g of chicken breast
Post workout - 2-3 glasses of lite milk and a scoop of whey
Dinner - 2 servings of whatever mum makes
This is the kind of diet I had when my gains were slower and leaner. Its not expensive, inconvenient or miles away from the average diet, and would probably suit those 30+ as well as those of us who dont have insane metabolisms.
I wish I had this diet from when I started off. I would have had to be content with only a 10-15kg gain, but I would have been far leaner. lets be realistic, unless you're going through puberty or have been malnourished for years this is all you're going to put on. No you say, Rippetoe has kids who gained 20kg+? go to woolworths and buy 20kg worth of rump steak, take it home and lay it out on your kitchen bench - you'll see that much gain of 'lean muscle' is a lot to expect of your body in a year.
But you can bulk up and then do a cut? trust me, when your natural and not doing a boatload of cardio losing weight is a lot harder than its made out to be.
opinions?
