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Anyone tried the Caveman diet?

kindred

New member
Hi all,

Has anyone tried the Caveman Diet? Does it reduce muscle mass? I find it really hard to eat in the morning and at lunch time also through out the day. All I really want to do is snack on small stuff like fruit, nuts, dried fruit and seeds. The medication I'm on is making it even harder to eat :`(

The Caveman Power Diet
 
What I'm doing is close to this, but I don't snack during the day and I eat a lot the day after training (I don't fast that day). I eat pretty much the same food, (no grains, dairy, tubers, legumes, nightshades, sugar, salt).

It doesn't reduce muscle mass.
 
Isn't the warrior diet the same thing (1 meal a day)? There's just no restrictions on what you eat.

both are pretty bs diets. He claimed the caveman (???) required him to eat throughout the day which he couldn't do, the warrior diet doesnt.
 
both are pretty bs diets. He claimed the caveman (???) required him to eat throughout the day which he couldn't do, the warrior diet doesnt.

The OP said he didn't want to eat meals during the day and only wanted to snack (caveman diet). The warrior diet only differs in that it cuts out the snacking and allows more food choices.

I eat mostly one meal per day (as per the warrior diet) and eat foods very similar to the caveman diet and it works great for me.
I am at 10%bf all year around (while training all year) and it is letting me grow stronger quicker than eating a normal bulking diet.

It's a lot easier than trying to lose fat without dropping any muscle while not training.
 
The OP said he didn't want to eat meals during the day and only wanted to snack (caveman diet). The warrior diet only differs in that it cuts out the snacking and allows more food choices.

I eat mostly one meal per day (as per the warrior diet) and eat foods very similar to the caveman diet and it works great for me.
I am at 10%bf all year around (while training all year) and it is letting me grow stronger quicker than eating a normal bulking diet.

It's a lot easier than trying to lose fat without dropping any muscle while not training.

No, the warrior diet allows you to snack on pieces of fruit/meat throughout the day.

Really both diets are bullshit. If your calories/macros are fine you will lose/gain weight, nutrient timing is of a much lower priority.
 
No, the warrior diet allows you to snack on pieces of fruit/meat throughout the day.
So you are saying they are the same?

Really both diets are bullshit. If your calories/macros are fine you will lose/gain weight, nutrient timing is of a much lower priority.

You might think it's bs if you know nothing about it. Your body isn't a bomb calorimeter.

Fasting affects:
Insulin
Free fatty acids (fat metabolism)
Amino acid movement (muscle metabolism)
Hormone release (i.e. epinephrine, HGH)
etc...

You can regulate these levels by when you eat in the same way as you can by training. Adding them together gives you the combined benefits.
 
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You might think it's bs if you know nothing about it. Your body isn't a bomb calorimeter.

Fasting affects:
Insulin
Free fatty acids (fat metabolism)
Amino acid movement (muscle metabolism)
Hormone release (i.e. epinephrine, HGH)
etc...

You can regulate these levels by when you eat in the same way as you can by training. Adding them together gives you the combined benefits.

I just copy pasta

Study 1 said:
Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients in a chamber calorimeter.
Taylor MA, Garrow JS.

Department of Nutrition and Dietetics, King's College London, London, UK.
Abstract
OBJECTIVE: To test if a diet of 4.2 MJ/24 h as six isocaloric meals would result in a lower subsequent energy intake, or greater energy output than (a) 4.2 MJ/24 h as two isocaloric meals or (b) a morning fast followed by free access to food.

DESIGN: Subjects were confined to the Metabolic Unit from 19:00 h on day 1 to 09:30 h on day 6. Each day they had a fixed diet providing 4.2 MJ with three pairs of meal patterns which were offered in random sequence. They were: six meals vs two meals without access to additional foods (6vs2), or six meals vs 2 meals with access to additional food (6+vs2+), or six meals vs four meals (6+vsAMFAST). In the AMFAST condition the first two meals of the day were omitted to reduce daily intake to 2.8 MJ and to create a morning fast, but additional food was accessible thereafter. Patients were confined in the chamber calorimeter from 19:00 h on day 2 until 09:00 h on day 4, and then from 19:00 h on day 4 to 09:00 h on day 6. The order in which each meal pattern was offered was balanced over time.

MEASUREMENTS: Energy expenditure (chamber calorimetry), spontaneous activity (video) and energy intake (where additional foods were available) during the final 24 h of each dietary component.

SUBJECTS: Ten (6vs2), eight (6+vs2+) and eight (6+vsAMFAST) women were recruited who had a BMI of greater than 25 kg/m2.

RESULTS: From experiment 6vs2 the difference between energy expenditure with six meals (10.00 MJ) and two meals (9.96 MJ) was not significant (P=0.88). Energy expenditure between 23:00 h and 08:00 h ('night') was, however, significantly higher (P=0.02) with two meals (9.12 MJ/24 h) compared with six meals (8.34 MJ/24 h). The pattern of spontaneous physical activity did not differ significantly between these two meal patterns (P>0.05). Total energy intake was affected by neither meal frequency in experiment 6+vs2+ (10.75 MJ with six, 11.08 MJ with two; P=0.58) nor a morning fast in experiment 6+vsAMFAST (8.55 MJ/24 h with six, 7.60 MJ with AMFAST; P=0.40). The total diet of subjects who had a morning fast tended to have a lower percentage of total energy from carbohydrate (40%) than when they had six meals per 24 h (49%) (P=0.05). Subsequent energy balance was affected by neither meal frequency (6vs2; P=0.88, 6+vs2+; P=0.50) nor a morning fast (P=0.18).

CONCLUSIONS: In the short term, meal frequency and a period of fasting have no major impact on energy intake or expenditure but energy expenditure is delayed with a lower meal frequency compared with a higher meal frequency. This might be attributed to the thermogenic effect of food continuing into the night when a later, larger meal is given. A morning fast resulted in a diet which tended to have a lower percentage of energy from carbohydrate than with no fast.

Study 2 said:
Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilization in man: consequences for energy metabolism.
Verboeket-van de Venne WP, Westerterp KR.

Department of Human Biology, University of Limburg, Maastricht, The Netherlands.
Abstract
A study was conducted to investigate whether there is a diurnal pattern of nutrient utilization in man and how this is affected by meal frequency to explain possible consequences of meal frequency for body weight regulation. When the daily energy intake is consumed in a small number of large meals, there is an increased chance to become overweight, possibly by an elevated lipogenesis (fat synthesis and accumulation) or storage of energy after the meal. Thirteen subjects, two males and eleven females, were fed to energy balance in two meals per day (gorging pattern) and seven meals per day (nibbling pattern) over 2-day intervals. On the second day on each feeding regimen, the diurnal pattern of nutrient utilization was calculated from simultaneous measurements of oxygen consumption, carbon dioxide production and urinary nitrogen excretion over 3 h intervals in a respiration chamber. A gorging pattern of energy intake resulted in a stronger diurnal periodicity of nutrient utilization, compared to a nibbling pattern. However, there were no consequences for the total 24 h energy expenditure (24 h EE) of the two feeding patterns (5.57 +/- 0.16 kJ/min for the gorging pattern; 5.44 +/- 0.18 kJ/min for the nibbling pattern). Concerning the periodicity of nutrient utilization, protein oxidation during the day did not change between the two feeding patterns. In the gorging pattern, carbohydrate oxidation was significantly elevated during the interval following the first meal (ie from 1200 h to 1500 h, P less than 0.01) and the second meal (ie from 1800 h to 2100 h, P less than 0.05). The decreased rate of carbohydrate oxidation observed during the fasting period (from rising in the morning until the first meal at 1200 h), was compensated by an increased fat oxidation from 0900 to 1200 h to cover energy needs. In the nibbling pattern, carbohydrate and fat oxidation remained relatively constant during the active hours of the day.
 
Yeah it's easy to search pubmed and browse for crap studies that appear to back up an argument:
Effects of every-other-day feeding on prolactin re... [Exp Biol Med (Maywood). 2008] - PubMed result
" after one day of fasting...very high hGH plasma concentrations"

Energy expenditure has nothing to do with hormone release and two extremely short studies of only 26 and 13 people is not exactly what I would consider as evidence.

How about something a big more substantial?
Alternate-day fasting and chronic disease prevention: a review of human and animal trials ? Am J Clin Nutr
(not that it talks about strength training either, but it concludes that fasting does make a difference).

Here's some easy to digest info for those that are bored stupid by medical studies:

Part 1: What Happens To Your Body When You Fast? – Energy Production : Fitness Spotlight
 
Yeah it's easy to search pubmed and browse for crap studies that appear to back up an argument:
Effects of every-other-day feeding on prolactin re... [Exp Biol Med (Maywood). 2008] - PubMed result
" after one day of fasting...very high hGH plasma concentrations"

Animal trials.

Energy expenditure has nothing to do with hormone release and two extremely short studies of only 26 and 13 people is not exactly what I would consider as evidence.

But animal studies are?

How about something a big more substantial?
Alternate-day fasting and chronic disease prevention: a review of human and animal trials ? Am J Clin Nutr
(not that it talks about strength training either, but it concludes that fasting does make a difference).

Thats a review, and again more animal trials. Come out and admit it, you're a mouse aren't you?

Here's some easy to digest info for those that are bored stupid by medical studies:

Part 1: What Happens To Your Body When You Fast? – Energy Production : Fitness Spotlight

Stopped reading when I saw vibram five fingers in the background.
 
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