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About becoming a personal trainer

Job hunting

I wasn't looking for a job immediately I'd graduated in February since I had my month-long honeymoon in Peru in April, I didn't think it'd help my prospects to say, "by the way, I need a month off in the first three." So I've just trained a few people privately as I've mentioned elsewhere.

Since coming back I've been looking for a full-time job. I've been most interested in the community gyms. That's where I'll find the absolute beginners I like working with, and where there's some freedom to work for actual results, rather than having to focus on sales.

Resumes and cover letters
I've a couple of interviews coming up, at this stage I can't say where. My old teacher had recommended me to one place. I asked:

"I heard that when RMIT City Fitness advertised for 3 positions they got 300 applications, obviously you don't interview 300 people, how do you cut them down? What on the resume or cover letter gets the candidate binned?"

He replied that there were a few things. The first is the form letter. People are applying for 50 jobs in one day and can't be bothered even changing the header of their email. They're out.

The second is the quals/experience not relevant, the person's background has absolutely nothing to do with the job. They don't even go to the gym. Maybe Centrelink made them apply to 100 jobs, who knows.

Thirdly is when the inflated resume. Someone's claiming to be a team leader after six months' work experience or something, claiming experience they couldn't have had in that timeframe, or which doesn't match what they've said otherwise.

Lastly is the meathead or cardio bunny, someone has no qualifications or experience, they just like to go to the gym and reckon they're real good and smart, eh.

When those four types are culled, he said, not many are left and you can interview basically all of them. I actually got this advice after writing my resume and cover letter to a few places so it was interesting to look at in retrospect.

In my cover letter and resume I'd said that I had no experience, and wanted to work in a place with experienced people I could learn from. This got me a quick call-back. Apparently, a lack of experience is not a problem so long as you acknowledge it - admitting "I don't know" is actually a novelty, makes you stand out.

Interview
The advice he gave was that fitness employers would first of all like the military experience - you've worked in a team environment, will do as you're told without arguing, have put up with stress, been fit, and so on.

Secondly, he said my age (39 in a couple of weeks) would help, some life experience lets you relate to a wide variety of clients with a wide variety of goals. "The only advantage the young have is that they're cheap," he said. In the interview, I should emphasise the life experience.

"Actually I emphasised that while I didn't have experience as a PT, I had trained recruits in the Army and apprentices in the kitchen, so there's some coaching there. While I was running people through obstacle courses I didn't know that their gluteus maximus was doing an isotonic contraction and shortening against resistance to extend their hip so they could take a step, but still - I did lead groups, watching out for injury and dehydration, pushing individuals to their personal limits, and so on."

"Yep, tell them that again," he said.

Free trial shifts
The guy I spoke to originally, the teacher's contact, had said that I ought to offer to do a few free shifts. This is the same as hospitality. A person's resume can look great and they can interview well, but once they get into the kitchen and a table of 12 comes and must all be out within 45 minutes to go to the theatre, that's when you see if the person is organised and can do things without swearing at everyone.

I said - to both the contact and in my cover letter - that I expected the fitness industry is somewhat the same. What's the person like with clients? Do they just talk to the hot young ones? Do they give hammer curls to 45 year old formerly sedentary women as a starting workout? etc.

So if all goes well at the interview, I expect to do a few free shifts, and after that get officially employed. I'd encourage my current clients to join up there, if they don't want to I can still train them outside.
 
I have a client who owns a gym in Carnegie, he cant get to PTC as often as he likes, which means he's busy.

He had a PT who was training at PTC, thats how he heard about it. After training here for a while, he said that if he ever needed a PT, he would ask if I would recommend any of my clients.

First I gave him Simon, then Nick who is still there, next was Brent who is still there, and soon Max will be filling in for Nick when he goes on holidays.

His is a pure PT type gym, not a members gym. He has an enormous ammount of equipment, unlike regular studios.

There is more than one way to get a job as a PT, even at your traditional PT type studio.

James has never asked for a resume or bits of paper, he simply takes the word of another gym owner.

There are going to be those of you that jump up and down and say thats not the correct way blah, blah blah.

For the record, Simon and Brent do have papers, Simon had worked at FF, it was Brents first job.

The reason he goes this way is because of the number of PT's he has hired that havent worked out. He doesnt train his clients the way he trains at PTC, its the traditional PT style, although I think Nick may have 1 client interested in strength.

Good luck in your endeavours Kyle, I'm sure you'll find a job soon enough.
 
Yep, knowing the right people always helps.

In this case, I was recommended to his friend by the person who'd seen me work with others. The job was not advertised.
 
that whole dissection of resumes and types sounds nice but it would take a long time to work through all that stuff. everywhere that i've been associated that receives applications with those kinds of numbers deletes or bins 80%+ of the applications and finds someone out of the remainder.
 
Im so going to get a free personal training lesson at my gym and pic the weakest looking trainer oh this will be funny..

Will post back with results.
 
Im so going to get a free personal training lesson at my gym and pic the weakest looking trainer oh this will be funny..
If it were me you'd picked, I'd just refer you to someone else. "You have a 220kg deadlift, I'm the guy who gets you from 0 to 120kg, not the guy who gets you from 220 to 230kg."

Of course, you could lie about what you can do, but that wouldn't tell us much. "Client lies to trainer, trainer gives client exercise not right for them, news at 9." Well done n00bs. High five yourself!

 
If it were me you'd picked, I'd just refer you to someone else. "You have a 220kg deadlift, I'm the guy who gets you from 0 to 120kg, not the guy who gets you from 220 to 230kg."

Of course, you could lie about what you can do, but that wouldn't tell us much. "Client lies to trainer, trainer gives client exercise not right for them, news at 9." Well done n00bs. High five yourself!



I thought the idea of a trianer was to get you stronger... Regardless of weights used. If i want to get stronger nothing changes i still do the same basic exercises... The pt should be able to be there for support weights should be irrelivent in terms of training for most people... I still do the same exercises i did when i started.
 
I thought the idea of a trianer was to get you stronger... Regardless of weights used. If i want to get stronger nothing changes i still do the same basic exercises... The pt should be able to be there for support weights should be irrelivent in terms of training for most people... I still do the same exercises i did when i started.

I would have thought a lot more comes into play at the heavier end of weightlifting. Things such as bands and partial lifts whereas this wouldnt really play a huge role getting someone to say 120kg as mentioned.

When someone is starting off the best thing they can do is spend time doing the movement, when you get stronger and it gets harder to increase the weights, there are other things that will be important to help you lift more.

At the end of the day, i wouldnt talk to a PT that hasnt been recommended by someone else or who i know has clients that are stronger than what i am wanting to achieve.
 
n00bs said:
I thought the idea of a trianer was to get you stronger... Regardless of weights used. If i want to get stronger nothing changes i still do the same basic exercises... The pt should be able to be there for support weights should be irrelivent in terms of training for most people... I still do the same exercises i did when i started.
It's more complex than that, and you know it. Someone working up from 0 to 120 in the deadlift just needs to deadlift. Someone working from 220 to 230 might need partials, chains, rack pulls, and so on. The coach or trainer needs a more experienced eye to spot the individual's weaknesses in that lift - the beginner can get away with imperfect technique, the intermediate or advanced person needs to work on those tiny details, a hip shift here, a shoulder squeeze there.

But if you said that to me, I'd say "fine" and proceed to smash you in the session. I've laid out what I know and can do, if you think that fits with your capabilities and goals, fine. I've been honest, so I'll do my best.
BigJim said:
At the end of the day, i wouldnt talk to a PT that hasnt been recommended by someone else or who i know has clients that are stronger than what i am wanting to achieve.
By which reasoning, Nick should not train with Markos, since he's the strongest one there. Obviously he has nothing to learn from Markos, right?
 
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My mrs is basically untrained... Her deadlift 1rm is 90kg..

Its not about what you can lift Markos would agree.. Some of his clients best his lifts with his infomation, yet they dont start training him? Knowledge and wisdom are key ... And that is what you are supposed to be portraying. Granted you cant get alot of it without personal experience but you can pass on what is proven from others...

So yes if i deadlift more then you you still should be able to help me.
 
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By which reasoning, Nick should not train with Markos, since he's the strongest one there. Obviously he has nothing to learn from Markos, right?

I was talking about the average PT, not Markos.

Markos has built a great reputation and all i was saying is that i wouldnt go and train with a PT who had no reputation or who wasnt already training clients who was stronger than myself.

Nick has been training with Markos for a long time, since before he was the strongest one at PTC. Markos also has a lifting background and his lifts were more than Nicks when he started. Therefore Nick started training with someone who was stronger than himself. So my point still stands :p
 
For the record ladies, Nick is not even CLOSE to my bench press, military press, single DB press lol

Nick is a fantastic squatter, who can nearly do 2 x bw and a very good deadlifter.

On a bodyweight scale, Kelly is the best lifter at PTC. He beat Nick at the Strongman and the Vic titles lol

Just wanted to deflate the big guy a little lol
 
If this is not inappropriate - how much is insurance?

I also found it interesting that you're current preference is beginners, although in my (very limited - handful of friends) experience it is a persons attitude not their training background that defines how I view them as a 'client'.

Will probably read through this thread tonight... best of luck with the career change mate.
 
For the record ladies, Nick is not even CLOSE to my bench press, military press, single DB press lol

Nick is a fantastic squatter, who can nearly do 2 x bw and a very good deadlifter.

On a bodyweight scale, Kelly is the best lifter at PTC. He beat Nick at the Strongman and the Vic titles lol

Just wanted to deflate the big guy a little lol

I'll probably deadlift 300kg before I beat your stupid bench press!

And yeah Kelly smahes me when bodyweight is involved.

#2 signing out......
 
If this is not inappropriate - how much is insurance?
Depends where you get it from. If registered with Fitness Australia (which requires your sending them copies of your certs and about $200 for two years), you can get insurance for about $110 a year.

Going with some non-industry affiliated insurance company usually costs a bit more, depending on how much protection you want, etc.

moons said:
I also found it interesting that you're current preference is beginners, although in my (very limited - handful of friends) experience it is a persons attitude not their training background that defines how I view them as a 'client'.
It's about the person's capability. I know about helping someone who's unfit, weak and a klutz get up to being reasonably fit, strong and capable - enough for everyday life and recreational sports.

As a person goes from absolute beginner to elite athlete, the training appropriate for them changes. There are a few basic things which are good for a beginner whatever their final goal. If a person can only do 3 knee pressups and can't run more than 500m without stopping, it doesn't really matter if they want to be a rugby back or a fitness model or just not have a sore back every day, their training will be pretty much the same - they need that basic fitness and strength.

Once they get to that level, they'll either maintain it or want more specialised training for their goals.

So it's actually not just about the client's capability, but mine. The basics is what I know right now.

Will probably read through this thread tonight... best of luck with the career change mate.
Cheers.
 
I reckon your optimistic Nick, I reckon you'll see 350kg before you beat that stupid bench lol

For what its worth, I reckon Kyle is right.

I learned everything by training beginners.

Kyle will learn so much about what works and what doesnt, by experience. He will pick up things that he will keep for decades.

Beginners make the most mistakes, form errors, have more weaknesses.

Say he got Nick as a client. Nick has no weakness, perfect form, intense intensity, strong work ethic. Nick will deadlift 300kg soon.

Kyle will learn nothing in the progress.

Watching Nick go from 150kg to 275kg, we learnt heaps.

A good PT learns through experience, Kyle knows what he's doing here.
 
I have a client coming, last session he said, "I hate you." He said that when he goes home and plays Dragon Age he thinks of my face as he does a "messy kill", whatever that is. I was confused, but deeply hurt.

It's been good to see the changes in him, of course not much in the way of physique changes after just a month, but improved strength and endurance, much more confidence. Very rewarding.
 
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