Beginners program

[User Name]

Shorty's training is inspirational - here is a sample from another board. It does not resemble the hypertrophy program advocated here however.

25th March 2009 (Wednesday) ~ Skills Evaluation Day

Squats
60.0kg x 5
80.0kg x 5
100.0kg x 3
120.0kg x 2
~ Belt from this point on
130.0kg x 1
140.0kg x 1
150.0kg x 1
160.0kg x 1
165.0kg x 1 (Equal Pb)
170.0kg x 1 (New Pb up 5kg!)

Bench Press ~ Touch & Go
Bar x 8
60.0kg x 8
80.0kg x 3
90.0kg x 3
100.0kg x 1
105.0kg x 1
110.0kg x 1 (HARD)
115.0kg x 1 (New Pb up 2.5kg!)

Deadlifts ~ Mixed Grip Raw + Chalk
60.0kg x 5
100.0kg x 3
145.0kg x 2
165.0kg x 1
190.0kg x 1
205.0kg x 1 (HARD)
220.0kg x 0 (Got it above my knees but not today)

 

[User Name]

Shorty's training is inspirational - here is a sample from another board. It does not resemble the hypertrophy program advocated here however.

25th March 2009 (Wednesday) ~ Skills Evaluation Day

Squats
60.0kg x 5
80.0kg x 5
100.0kg x 3
120.0kg x 2
~ Belt from this point on
130.0kg x 1
140.0kg x 1
150.0kg x 1
160.0kg x 1
165.0kg x 1 (Equal Pb)
170.0kg x 1 (New Pb up 5kg!)

Bench Press ~ Touch & Go
Bar x 8
60.0kg x 8
80.0kg x 3
90.0kg x 3
100.0kg x 1
105.0kg x 1
110.0kg x 1 (HARD)
115.0kg x 1 (New Pb up 2.5kg!)

Deadlifts ~ Mixed Grip Raw + Chalk
60.0kg x 5
100.0kg x 3
145.0kg x 2
165.0kg x 1
190.0kg x 1
205.0kg x 1 (HARD)
220.0kg x 0 (Got it above my knees but not today)

 

[User Name]

Yes, I've seen his site, it's very useful and interesting.

However, on that particular issue he fails to present us with examples. If I ask someone for examples of people who've built strong and big legs and backs from squatting and powerlifting, people can give me links and books, I could spend the rest of my life reading the stories as a full-time job.

If I ask for examples of people who've done it with lunges and step-ups, the silence is deafening.

I just don't see any proven alternative to fcking hard work.

I agree with the hard work part. Lyle is very accessible there, and I am sure would answer any question put to him. He is a nice change to some of the brotard mentality out there.

 

[User Name]

Yes, I've seen his site, it's very useful and interesting.

However, on that particular issue he fails to present us with examples. If I ask someone for examples of people who've built strong and big legs and backs from squatting and powerlifting, people can give me links and books, I could spend the rest of my life reading the stories as a full-time job.

If I ask for examples of people who've done it with lunges and step-ups, the silence is deafening.

I just don't see any proven alternative to fcking hard work.

I agree with the hard work part. Lyle is very accessible there, and I am sure would answer any question put to him. He is a nice change to some of the brotard mentality out there.

 

[Kyle Aaron]

Shorty is no longer a beginner.

Look at his training when he started.

 

[Kyle Aaron]

Shorty is no longer a beginner.

Look at his training when he started.

 

[CaT_SPeW]

Thanks for your reply Fadi - you are a true gentleman.

As for "what is my problem" PTC, I have repeatedly stated it. You have advocated a program that is designed for hypertrophy as the path to achieving certain 1RM goals.

What I am suggesting is, there would be strength based programs that would help a lifter achieve 1RM goals in a more timely manner. As I am not a Powerlifter whose only concern is my 1RM in 3 lifts, I am no expert at specific PL programs, hence I was asking if there was a reason you are advocating a program whose principals are different to those done over at Westside.

Markos advocates many programs, i dont see him advocating this as the be all and end all of 1RM programs just a simple beginners program that will work increasing your 1RM and helping you get bigger and stronger at the same time.

 

[CaT_SPeW]

Thanks for your reply Fadi - you are a true gentleman.

As for "what is my problem" PTC, I have repeatedly stated it. You have advocated a program that is designed for hypertrophy as the path to achieving certain 1RM goals.

What I am suggesting is, there would be strength based programs that would help a lifter achieve 1RM goals in a more timely manner. As I am not a Powerlifter whose only concern is my 1RM in 3 lifts, I am no expert at specific PL programs, hence I was asking if there was a reason you are advocating a program whose principals are different to those done over at Westside.

Markos advocates many programs, i dont see him advocating this as the be all and end all of 1RM programs just a simple beginners program that will work increasing your 1RM and helping you get bigger and stronger at the same time.

 

[User Name]

Markos advocates many programs, i dont see him advocating this as the be all and end all of 1RM programs just a simple beginners program that will work increasing your 1RM and helping you get bigger and stronger at the same time.

I am saying that progress on any program will help you get stronger, but THIS program is geared towards hypertophy, not strength / 1RM gains.

Beginners as such should not even worry about 1RM's imo, they should concentrate on building a solid base, which is something this program WILL do for them.

But the author has tied this in with achieving certain 1RM standards, and this program is not the fastest path to achieving those goals.

 

[User Name]

Markos advocates many programs, i dont see him advocating this as the be all and end all of 1RM programs just a simple beginners program that will work increasing your 1RM and helping you get bigger and stronger at the same time.

I am saying that progress on any program will help you get stronger, but THIS program is geared towards hypertophy, not strength / 1RM gains.

Beginners as such should not even worry about 1RM's imo, they should concentrate on building a solid base, which is something this program WILL do for them.

But the author has tied this in with achieving certain 1RM standards, and this program is not the fastest path to achieving those goals.

 

[Kyle Aaron]

User Name, I think you should start a thread in which you introduce yourself, and talk about your accomplishments and goals.

 

[Kyle Aaron]

User Name, I think you should start a thread in which you introduce yourself, and talk about your accomplishments and goals.

 

[CaT_SPeW]

User Name, I think you should start a thread in which you introduce yourself, and talk about your accomplishments and goals.

ditto otherwise this thread will just go around in circles......sigh

 

[CaT_SPeW]

User Name, I think you should start a thread in which you introduce yourself, and talk about your accomplishments and goals.

ditto otherwise this thread will just go around in circles......sigh

 

[User Name]

User Name, I think you should start a thread in which you introduce yourself, and talk about your accomplishments and goals.

Sounds like a polite way of saying "We don't want to listen to you until we establish if you are bigger or stronger than us" lol.

Also sounds like I am being told not to disagree with respected members here?

 

[User Name]

User Name, I think you should start a thread in which you introduce yourself, and talk about your accomplishments and goals.

Sounds like a polite way of saying "We don't want to listen to you until we establish if you are bigger or stronger than us" lol.

Also sounds like I am being told not to disagree with respected members here?

 

[CaT_SPeW]

sounds like your a bit reluctant to tell us.

 

[CaT_SPeW]

sounds like your a bit reluctant to tell us.

 

[Kyle Aaron]

I for one don't have a problem with disagreement. If you look earlier in the thread, you'll see me asking questions of Markos.

However, it helps to know where a person is coming from when they're disagreeing. There's "no u r wrong!!!1!" and then there's experience and/or education.

And there's also the fact that if you want to start a new topic, it's better to start a new thread, rather than hijack the current thread. Otherwise people click on threads and find they're not what they thought they were about, and because they can never just look at what they're interested in, get pissed off and leave the forum.

And knowing something about each-other makes things more friendly. This is a discussion forum, not Halo online.

 

[Kyle Aaron]

I for one don't have a problem with disagreement. If you look earlier in the thread, you'll see me asking questions of Markos.

However, it helps to know where a person is coming from when they're disagreeing. There's "no u r wrong!!!1!" and then there's experience and/or education.

And there's also the fact that if you want to start a new topic, it's better to start a new thread, rather than hijack the current thread. Otherwise people click on threads and find they're not what they thought they were about, and because they can never just look at what they're interested in, get pissed off and leave the forum.

And knowing something about each-other makes things more friendly. This is a discussion forum, not Halo online.