One Nation wins four Senate seats

[onslaught]

I have a vested interest in totally ignoring all the science and being told what's good for me while we are still shovelling coal onto ships to sell to third world shitholes in quantities that utterly fucking dwarf Australia's consumption.

 

[Fadi]

Well, I guess I have been totally fooled into thinking that Islam does not dictate every aspect of an individuals life. I was sure it did. Clothing, prayer (how often, how to be performed, etc), education, "morality", food, etc.

You can't just say that one nation (such as Saudi Arabia) or branch has got it all wrong and a more moderate view is "normal". The whole range of islam expression, from ISIS and Al Qaeda to some Aussie muslim wearing jeans and adopting western culture, is all part of the whole package.

Is One Nation an expression of Democracy? Yes, just not a particularly good one.

To an intransigent mind, my one and only message can very easily be summarised and wrapped up into one single word: PEACE !

 

[Goosey]

World peace everyone

 

[WoodyAllen]

Lucky that you live in a country where religion has lost most of its power. Its easy to cry for peace when you live in a fat comfortable society.

When you consider that we had two world wars that could have been stopped by the churches, and currently are afflicted by a terrorist gorilla war that could also be squashed pretty much instantly by one religion taking a stand, its obvious that peace is not on the agenda of mainstream religion, no matter what they may trumpet.

A wise dark skinned jew with a big nose and a powerlifter beard once said something along the lines of:

“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

In other words, if you have a religion promoting or condoning hate, bigotry, religious domination and aggressive colonialism, you can pretty much deduce that they are not "the good guys", and certainly not backed by Allah/God.

 

[Bazza20]

That is a made up skewed figure and most of those 4000 were not even scientists and the rest were paid by the global warming society or who ever gets the money to propagate this rubbish, use your trusty Google and look it up. Once you actually look into it you will see that there is no evidence.

Then you confuse yourself we are not talking about climate change in general, NO ONE, not one single person I know disputes climate change, it has been happening for millions of years, but there is no evidence of MAN MADE climate change.

But like I said believe what you like, makes no difference to me.

Mick at least get it right. It's 4000 research papers done on man made climate change. Not 4000 scientists. The report is available for you to look at. It's updated regularly.

No Mick. Tell us who pays the scientists money to falsify this. Global warming society. Lol. This doesn't even exist does it. Where are they getting there money from. What have they got to gain. Like I said heaps more money to deny man made climate change.

"Once you look into it their is no evidence." Did you look into it as hard as you did the chickens back end. All you had to do was lift the tail of one and you couldn't do that before shooting your mouth off. You haven't looked into it at all have you.

Mick try again. We have all been talking about man made climate change from the start. You are the only one that tries to bring it back to the non made made climate change.

Mick say off the conspiracy theory web sites.

LMAO man your ignorance makes me laugh, undeniable?? Undeniable like drinking excess BCAA"s does anything for your body apart from putting extra strain on your kidneys

You believe anything that they tell you.

How is it undeniable when the only people (scientists) that agree that it exists are getting paid by the climate change committee. It's a bit like going into a supplement shop and asking the owner if having that $80 tub of extra BCAA's to piss down the toilet will give you the edge in your training, yes of course it will.....now give me all your money.

Walk into a Holden dealer and ask the salesman weather you should buy the latest Holden or Ford, you will never get an unbiased answer.

The scientists are not going to bite the hand that puts food into their families mouth and pays their mortgage, they will skew the statistics all they can to keep riding the wave for as long as they can.

Well now the scientists are payed by the climate change committee before it was society.

Tell us who is paying them. Where they get the money from and why are they paying them.

Like Steve P said. Scientists are government funded. There is more money for them to go work for an oil company and fake data to say that climate change does not exist.


If you are going to argue against man made climate change drop the scientists are payed off thing and find some real data because it's much more likely people are payed off to deny climate change.

You don't seem to understand, the business does not absorb the cost, they pass it on to each and every person (us). There is no cost in emitting carbon, it is made up rubbish, the amount of carbon in the atmosphere does not change it only changes it's form, we burn timber/fuels etc carbon is released, this carbon once released is then in turn absorbed by plants etc. This has been going on for ever and will continue to do so.

We as humans have a minimal affect on this, carbon is not a pollutant by any stretch of the imagination as the Greens would have us believe, carbon is essential for all life on earth.

Nope. Businesses producing a commodity cannot pass the cost on. The market sets the price.

Changing the form of carbon from fossil fuels to carbon dioxide can and is happening it's is also having an effect of the climate. Humans are influencing this. The greenhouse effect was explained to us in grade 3.

 

[Fadi]

In other words, if you have a religion promoting or condoning hate, bigotry, religious domination and aggressive colonialism, you can pretty much deduce that they are not "the good guys", and certainly not backed by Allah/God.

What I’ve deduced from your post is the following:

1. Islam is a religion that promotes and condones hate
2. Islam is a religion that promotes and condones bigotry
3. Islam is a religion that promotes and condones religious domination
4. Islam is a religion that promotes and condones aggressive colonialism

Based on the above, Muslims are not “the good guys”, and they’re certainly not backed by Allah/God.

Would you say that that’s a pretty fair assessment of your position regarding Islam and its followers?

You are a better judge of character when it comes to your own self, hence I will not describe or label your character in any way, leaving that task to the one who knows you best; you.

You on the other hand, have taken the liberty to describe Islam for us, giving it many labels that seem foreign to me as a believer and a follower of that faith. I think it’s only fair now from an intellectual point of view, for you to complete your character assassination of Islam by enlightening us with some evidence based facts to substantiate and back up your charges please. Thank you very much for your time sir.

 

[Puggy]

I enjoy the fact she says what she thinks and doesn't be a typical politician.
However, her ideology is far too outdated.

 

[Repacked]

When what you say has influence and is under scrutiny, like in politics, saying whatever pops into your head is not a good trait.

 

[Darkoz]

Yeah, you don't want to be caught telling any truth

 

[Fadi]

I enjoy the fact she says what she thinks and doesn't be a typical politician.
However, her ideology is far too outdated.

With power comes responsibility; to disregard the responsibility, is to abuse the power.

 

[Darkoz]

Look wbat happen to Spiderman

 

[Fadi]

Yeah, you don't want to be caught telling any truth

Truth is truth, a misrepresentation of it is called a lie.

 

[Bazza20]

Bit like the trump scenario. You have to look at what's gone wrong for people to vote for her.

Just saying she is a fuck head and the people who vote for her are fuck heads doesn't cut it.

 

[Headley]

Dunno why there is so much anti islam here when ON is against 'asians' in general.

That said Pauline does have a point to an extent; the sale of public assets to foreign buyers is a criminal act

 

[Darkoz]

Bloody Liberal government!

 

[WoodyAllen]

What I’ve deduced from your post is the following:

1. Islam is a religion that promotes and condones hate
2. Islam is a religion that promotes and condones bigotry
3. Islam is a religion that promotes and condones religious domination
4. Islam is a religion that promotes and condones aggressive colonialism

Based on the above, Muslims are not “the good guys”, and they’re certainly not backed by Allah/God.

Would you say that that’s a pretty fair assessment of your position regarding Islam and its followers?

Yes.

You are a better judge of character when it comes to your own self, hence I will not describe or label your character in any way, leaving that task to the one who knows you best; you.

Thank you.

You on the other hand, have taken the liberty to describe Islam for us, giving it many labels that seem foreign to me as a believer and a follower of that faith. I think it’s only fair now from an intellectual point of view, for you to complete your character assassination of Islam by enlightening us with some evidence based facts to substantiate and back up your charges please. Thank you very much for your time sir.

ISIS
Hatred, bigotry and murder among sects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_among_Muslims
Colonialism, just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania
Sunni Shia conflict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia–Sunni_relations
Execution of rape victims (assuming that media reports are correct)
Taliban (including their record of female oppression)
Muslim aggression against other countries: http://www1.cbn.com/churchandministry/1400-years-of-christian-islamic-struggle
The latter article I would not stake my life on, but it does make some good historical points.

My apologies for the use of wiki as a source. Its too time consuming to get decent quotes and its common knowledge anyway.

I'm pretty certain that you assume I am anti-muslim. I'm not. I'm anti-bullshit. The so called christian countries/religions have just as much to answer for. Like I said, they aided and abetted in 2 world wars plus hundreds of other conflicts. Including the crusades.

You are constantly pushing a pro-islam agenda, which would be bearable if it were overt, but in most cases its coached in an aura of innuendo and unprovable conspiracy theories. You were a great olympic lifter. You still have value in such matters. Ditch the religious propaganda and stick to what you are good at.

 

[WoodyAllen]

Look, the warming or cooling is going to happen whether we are here or not, it's nice that our leaders are trying to slow it down for us.

what I think is the issue?

There are way too many of us, 20% of which are mad, crazy working against us, we are killing of species and plant life.
Short of a huge asteroid hitting us someone has got to come up with a plan pretty quick.

Ok.

Cough.

My opinion. Global warming is horse shit, for the most part. The globe has, absent of human existance, warmed and cooled over a number of cycles through the past milleniums.

Human dicking with the environment and life cycles is a problem. Absolutely. Extinction of species, again, has, like global warming/cooling, occurred hand over fist since life first appeared on this wet globe. But we can point at extinctions purely caused by human intervention. Such as the Vaquita dolphin. Wiped out by net fishing. Not by global warming or the appearance of a mutant croctopus.

So, the problem is not global warming. Its pollution, destruction of the environment and social pressures driven by greed (e.g. shark fins, elephant tusks, bear gall collecting, tiger bones, etc, etc.)

Toss on top of that religious pressure, such as anti-contraception, and you have a shit load of factors that are destroying our planet. Don't even get me started on religious and national divisions.

Saying that all of our problems are caused by global warming is simplistic and ignorant (no insult intended, much). For example, recently some dickheads were trumpeting the "truth" of global warming by historically high temperatures in Australia. The problem was that they were getting close to, equaling and sometimes exceeding records set in the early 1900's. So, about 100 years ago. What, they never had a hot day in Australia in the 1600's? The Australian, Sahara, Gobi and other deserts have been around for a shit long time, and all were previously wet, fertile regions. Phark. Even antarctica had rain forest plant species.

So, is global warming real? Yes, but its been happening for time immemorial. Cooling as well.

Do we have a problem? Pharkyes. Can we fix it? Probably not. But we can all do our part to slow it down.

 

[Fadi]

ISIS
Hatred, bigotry and murder among sects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarian_violence_among_Muslims
Colonialism, just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_conquest_of_Hispania
Sunni Shia conflict: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia–Sunni_relations
Execution of rape victims (assuming that media reports are correct)
Taliban (including their record of female oppression)
Muslim aggression against other countries: http://www1.cbn.com/churchandministry/1400-years-of-christian-islamic-struggle
The latter article I would not stake my life on, but it does make some good historical points.

839 words is what you're looking at reading. If you can't be bothered, I'll spell out what I still want from you in one word: evidence.

I say Islam you say ISIS. Are you bored? Please tell me that you're older than 11, because my 11 year old knows the difference between Islam and ISIS. So apply some effort if you think it's worth your time, otherwise do the world a favour and let it go.

Taliban (including their record of female oppression)

I live with 6 females, I swear they'd laugh at you if you were to mention that to them. I can't believe what you're writing, are you seriously serious, or has the denial of your blind hatred incapacitated your arrogant mind to think? Yet again, I should know better, as I've already described your mind as one that is intransigent, so perhaps you've got yourself a loophole. I don't accept though. If you're capable of insulting Islam (whilst sitting behind your computer screen), then you should be able to substantiate your garbage accusations. So we're still waiting for some evidence from the man who is anti-bullshit. This is like me debating a Christian and bringing the Mormons or the Ku Klux klan as evidence for whatever point I was aiming to prove against the Christian religion. Give me a break!

My apologies for the use of wiki as a source. Its too time consuming to get decent quotes and its common knowledge anyway

This is proof that you're not serious about a very serious topic. It's common ignorance amongst the willfully ignorant, at least get that right.

I'm pretty certain that you assume I am anti-muslim. I'm not. I'm anti-bullshit.

It's your business what you choose to be, anti-Muslim or anti-bullshit. You need to grow up and deal with the situation like a man and stop relying on your arrogance and macho attitude to get you by, it's not working. Act tough and be as offensive as you like, all of it reflects on your own character and not mine. And like I told you, you're the best judge of your own character, and you're certainly doing an incredible job at displaying it. You say you're anti-bullshit, yet when given the chance to expose Islam for how you describe it, you fail miserably, claiming it's common knowledge. I call that arrogance of the highest order, only to be superseded by your ignorance of the subject at hand. How would you label such a person?

The so called christian countries/religions have just as much to answer for. Like I said, they aided and abetted in 2 world wars plus hundreds of other conflicts. Including the crusades.

If so, what have you personally learnt from such historical events? I can answer that for you: zilch/zero! Would you like some proof that you have learnt absolutely nothing? I'll give you a hint..., a very similar scenario is being played out right now as I type my words. Can you guess who the players are? More importantly, can you take a wild guess on whose side you are on? If you want the answers with proof and evidence based on what you've been writing so far, let me know..., no need for WIKI when I've got your words in black and white right here on the forum. Yehp, it's time you've woken up, this is not some joke you're dealing with.

You are constantly pushing a pro-islam agenda, which would be bearable if it were overt, but in most cases its coached in an aura of innuendo and unprovable conspiracy theories.

Personally, I don't give a damn what you think I'm doing or not doing on the forum, it's non of your business. If you don't like what I write, don't read it, it's really that simple. But you can't help yourself I know your type, plenty of insults with no substance in possession. It's a real shame really. We could have had some great discussions you and I, but you've chosen to be conflictive and superficial instead, based on no more than ignorance or some basic knowledge of the subject at hand. Apply some effort man, just like you do in the gym, do your brain a favour and feed it some correct information about a subject you know nothing about save what other haters like you call common knowledge.

Ditch the religious propaganda and stick to what you are good at.

I'll let you know when I'm ready to be dictated to by you or anyone else for that matter. Until such time, go find yourself someone else you can play Mr. Dictator with OK. We don't like dictatorship here in Oz.

 

[Goosey]

Ok.

Cough.

My opinion. Global warming is horse shit, for the most part. The globe has, absent of human existance, warmed and cooled over a number of cycles through the past milleniums.

Human dicking with the environment and life cycles is a problem. Absolutely. Extinction of species, again, has, like global warming/cooling, occurred hand over fist since life first appeared on this wet globe. But we can point at extinctions purely caused by human intervention. Such as the Vaquita dolphin. Wiped out by net fishing. Not by global warming or the appearance of a mutant croctopus.

So, the problem is not global warming. Its pollution, destruction of the environment and social pressures driven by greed (e.g. shark fins, elephant tusks, bear gall collecting, tiger bones, etc, etc.)

Toss on top of that religious pressure, such as anti-contraception, and you have a shit load of factors that are destroying our planet. Don't even get me started on religious and national divisions.

Saying that all of our problems are caused by global warming is simplistic and ignorant (no insult intended, much). For example, recently some dickheads were trumpeting the "truth" of global warming by historically high temperatures in Australia. The problem was that they were getting close to, equaling and sometimes exceeding records set in the early 1900's. So, about 100 years ago. What, they never had a hot day in Australia in the 1600's? The Australian, Sahara, Gobi and other deserts have been around for a shit long time, and all were previously wet, fertile regions. Phark. Even antarctica had rain forest plant species.

So, is global warming real? Yes, but its been happening for time immemorial. Cooling as well.

Do we have a problem? Pharkyes. Can we fix it? Probably not. But we can all do our part to slow it down.

That, Woodrow is a fine and righteous rant

 

[steveP]

Did you watch Q&A last night [MENTION=18292]bigm[/MENTION]ick; ?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-08-16/professor-brian-cox-vs.-senator-malcolm-roberts/7746576