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About becoming a personal trainer

Well, here's the thing.

You can have half an hour of selling to one person, sign them up for 12 months, and there's $1,000 or so for your gym.

Or you could have hours and hours with someone over several workouts and get about $1,000, assuming they take a heap of personal training sessions. But maybe those hours and hours you put in, they'll say, "thanks! free training! awesome!" and spend nothing extra there.

So a lot of it is just plain old effort vs reward. If all you want is money, you get more reward for your efforts from signing people up and then ignoring them than you do from focusing on a few dedicated clients, or trying to make the slack clients into dedicated ones.

That said, every business has to decide where its focus is: on getting more customers (the McDs model) or on making the existing customers come back (the model of the small neighbourhood restaurant).

Both are viable business models, and will make you money if done well. But the "expand" model is only good if you only care about money; the "regulars" model is better if you genuinely love what you're doing. So the accountants create places like Fitness First, the powerlifers create places like PTC Frankston.

I think it's obvious which I'd be in favour of ;)
 
24 hour gyms are also becoming very popular with chains like Anytime and Jetts opening at breakneck speed throughout the country. They will soon be as prevalent as Maccas or KFC. Snap is another new one opening in Australia as well. This could be good for independent trainers as it will mean more flexibility regarding hours and venues. It will be interesting to see how it affects existing Pts studios who often operate like mini gyms.
 
In my experience, most PTs do know about fitness, but they tend to be vaguer on strength and agility. Even so, where they fall down isn't knowledge, usually, but the Care Factor. Most people in most jobs just do the minimum work to avoid getting fired and don't really like their co-workers, and have some contempt for or at best indifference to their customers.

Just as in any industry, there are a range of professionals with all different skills. You'll find great personal trainers and shocking personal trainers. Just as you'll find a variety of plumbers, lawyers and chefs.

Personally, I do believe that it is far too easy to be qualified to become a personal trainer as the courses are what I believe to be quite elementary and generalised. So, because it is so easy to become qualified, you will have plenty of PT's who don't have all that much experience.

Also, most personal trainers don't last longer than 2 years - there is a MASSIVE turnover rate in this industry (clients and professionals alike!). Another reason why many trainers lack experience. 2 major reasons as to why PT's don't last long:

1. People don't understand how many hours you have to work (and that many hours are outside business hours). It is very easy to burn out with long hours in such an energetic job.
2. A standard PT rate may sound great for an hours work, but if you want to retain that client, you are going to have to work longer than a single hour for every session that they take (followup calls, planning etc.). Plus, you have admin and other "behind the scenes work" to take care of. It's not a $70+ per hour industry, especially when you are starting out.
 
I just read the entire thread in one sitting.

You seem like a great bloke Kyle, but one thing to come out of this thread is that

If you combine The Hulks and Shreks hatred of PT's and multiply by 1,000,000 , you will be close to the mark of my disgust in them for what they have done to my all time favourite past time of Physical Culture.

This is not directed at any individual, just pure disbelief that PT's are pumped out with zero knowledge. They just figure they can get a qualification after 4-16 weeks in school.

Please drop by PTC and have a look at how it operates Kyle, the time could be classed as learning. I have had quite a few students/PT's sit and watch at PTC.

I do like the guy HULK was referring to with the sign telling PT's to stay out lol

I would rather they come in and learn though.

Please, please come.

Keep posting, this is a great insight.

Cheers

Markos
 
I forgot to add, you could easily replicate your own gym and train clients from home, its the best option in my opinion.

You are open minded, anything is possible.
 
Today we learned the reason for two of our three teachers' absences... they quit! I hope it wasn't us!

But now that this is settled, we have more regular teachers, so the course can get back on track. Today we covered aerobic and anaerobic levels of training, learning to use the treadmills and so on, interval training and all that kind of stuff. Pretty basic for me, but of course not for some of the class.

We were supposed to pair up and take turns instructing each-other in the use of the machines. However, I had already done that in the morning - Noodles had never used the things, and with his eyesight he couldn't make out the buttons! But you press them and it confirms what you're doing in big red type on a screen, so with some messing around he could do it. He must have a great memory.
I just read the entire thread in one sitting.
You poor bastard! :) I needed breaks to write it, I wouldn't want to read it in one go.

PTC said:
If you combine The Hulks and Shreks hatred of PT's and multiply by 1,000,000 , you will be close to the mark of my disgust in them for what they have done to my all time favourite past time of Physical Culture.
They've McD'sed it, basically - to appeal to everyone, it has to be good for no-one.

PTC said:
This is not directed at any individual, just pure disbelief that PT's are pumped out with zero knowledge. They just figure they can get a qualification after 4-16 weeks in school.
As we were discussing earlier, this isn't unique to PTs, or even to the physical activity industry in general. Qualifications are quite easy to get. On the other hand, if only 5% of people getting qualification X are doing a job with anything to do with X a few years later, does it matter much?

It just goes back to the individual. How much do I want to learn? I was saying to friends the other day, sometimes our classes finish early, but the teacher is always still around, and most are thrilled that someone's interested enough to ask questions.

For example, today with the cardio machines we had free gym time afterwards, the teacher was hanging around, anyone could go up and ask questions. About two-thirds the class just buggered off straight away, but a third of us stayed to work out, and a few of us asked questions. Some of it was just stuff like one guy needs a workout to improve his basketball (he wants to dunk, jump strength time!) but still it's all knowledge we're getting.

As in physical training, so too in education - you get out what you put in, it's much more up to you than any instructor.

And most people really don't know why they're there...

I had an interesting chat with one of the teachers, I asked,

"Obviously with 90 or whatever students at Holmesglen this semester, and all the others at CAE and AIF and the rest across the country, we're looking at a few thousand Cert III/IV graduates annually. There can't be jobs for all of them. And it doesn't seem like a lot will even try for those jobs, they'll end up doing something else? What makes someone stick with it or bail, in your experience?"

At first she replied about what gets people employed. "Not so much the knowledge, because you'll get the knowledge from experience, and more the communication skills, presentation and so on."

"Well that's for any job involving people. But I was thinking less from the employer's point of view in hiring people, and more from the point of view of the graduate, why do some lose interest either before or after getting a job in the industry? What makes them stay or bail?"

She replied, "Some people are thinking of the money, they hear about PTs earning $80 an hour and get excited, then get hired by a gym for $18 an hour, they don't like the early morning wakeups and dealing with ordinary clients not athletes."

I said, "Yeah, I got that impression, some people think it's big money and counting out Thorpey's reps on the bench or something, instead it's poor money and middle-aged fat people."

I didn't add that I've been working class all my life so I'm used to crap wages, and I'm more interested in ordinary people than professional athletes.

Anyway, I absolutely agree that most are pretty ordinary, and that the education is pretty sad. But the ordinary ones won't last, and a better education is there for those who are interested. I aim not to be ordinary.

PTC said:
Please drop by PTC and have a look at how it operates Kyle, the time could be classed as learning. I have had quite a few students/PT's sit and watch at PTC.
Hmmm, I wonder if it could be classed as work placement? :D

It's a fair way (30km or so) on my crappy pushbike, so I'll have to wait till I've a chance to use the car.

PTC said:
Keep posting, this is a great insight.
Thanks, that was the idea. When I was considering doing the course I was looking around for information, I expected to see reviews of the different schools, blogs and that kind of thing - and there was nothing. Every time I thought I'd found information it was just some idiot's sales pitch for their own service. No-one could tell me anything useful.

When I finish, I may summarise it all in a little guide. It'd be nice to be able to encourage people who might be genuinely interested but never really thought about it, and let the not-so-interested know not to waste their time.
 
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Noodles' problem isn't focusing, it's contrast and brightness.

You know how your pupil expands to let in more light when it's dark, and closes up when it's bright - that's so that only X amount of light gets onto the retina to make an image for your brain, and so the light goes just to one place on the retina, not scattered all over the place.

Well, Noodles is an albino. That means he has no pigment in his iris, so light gets through there, too. It's like poking holes around the lens on your old-style film camera and expecting to get a good picture - too much light gets in, and not in the right place. The result is probably like turning the brightness up and contrast down on your computer screen.

Also, because of this an albino's cells on the retina don't develop properly from infancy, they never get the proper stimulation.

Unfortunately, glasses don't help with that stuff.
 
Yeah, I had to go look it up. I saw him making a funny face and wondered why, my woman told me, "lots of albinos have vision problems", so I went to good old wikipedia. And then I asked him about it the next day, he knew less than me! That's because he just lives his life, he doesn't worry about names for stuff and all the details.

I think that him and another guy are an excellent example of life really being what you make it. On the one hand you've got an albino who's legally blind (one-tenth normal vision), yet he has a steady job, a wife, a hobby he's dedicated to and does well in (martial arts), is studying to better himself, and has friends.

On the other hand there's a guy who's physically and mentally healthy and fully able in every way, and he hasn't a job or girlfriend for years, is only casually involved in his hobbies, and has few or no friends.

Of course when people become unemployed they have to make an extra effort to be social and meet people and keep up their hobbies and all the rest, it can be pretty hard. But hey, doing martial arts or going to school when you're legally blind is an extra effort and is pretty hard, too.

In education, workouts, life in general - it really is all about the effort you make. Like in the article how to be an expert, "The only thing standing between you-as-amateur and you-as-expert is dedication."

I understand that people have their down periods, that's fair enough. Everyone is going to have a few months or a year or two some time in their life when they're just lost. Fair enough. But ten, twenty years?

Sure, not everyone who tries succeeds. But everyone who doesn't try fails. May as well give it a go!
 
alot of people in this thread are saying that there's just as many poorly skilled "qualified" people in other industry's as there is in the fitness industry, this may be true but i dont know of any other industry where you can get that qualification in a matter of weeks. i mean most other professions require you to do at least a few years at uni or 4 years as an apprentice. Actually the IT industry offers a lot of "get a qualification in 8 weeks" type courses but in reality those qualifications are worth jack shit and you are lucky if you can pick up a basic tech support or admin role, much like a lot of 8 week PT's end up working for peanuts at <insert health club franchise here> i guess.
 
Well, you also have to consider the level of the course. Cert III and IV are low-level things. They're not diplomas or degrees.

PTs really have got a bit more media attention than they deserve recently, thanks to shows like Biggest Loser and relentless self-promotion by idiots on Oprah. To my mind, it's like giving that sort of attention to grill cooks, mothercraft nurses, executive assistants, book-keepers, library assistants and so on - all jobs you can get with quals in some weeks or months. All the publicity is making it out to be a bigger deal than it is.

A physical trainer can help make a big difference to someone's quality of life, but really it is not like being a doctor or something.

Last week I was discussing with someone, they were talking about PTs giving detailed diet plans - but as I've said, they're not qualified to do that. As well as a "duty of care" to clients, we have what we call a "standard of care" or what the seppos call "scope of practice." Basically, there's a range of knowledge you have, and you're not meant to step outside that in your advice to people. So you can talk general nutrition, but you can't give detailed diet plans. Standard of care, range of knowledge.

The range of knowledge required of a PT for them to do their job well is not very great compared to a physiotherapist or the like. It's just Cert IV, not a diploma, degree or doctorate.

That's why people can do the job without qualifications, and do it well. There's no way you could be a good doctor, accountant or lawyer without qualifications. No way. The range of knowledge needed is just too great. But a cook, book-keeper, or physical trainer - yes, you can get that knowledge just by doing the job for some years.

Brains and effort can make up for lack of a Cert III/IV, and maybe sometimes even a diploma. They can't make up for lack of a degree or doctorate.

Don't over-estimate the job. It doesn't take enormous brains to do it alright.

Yes, it takes much more to do it well. And that takes us back to the 5% or so still at it years after starting...
 
true but im more or less just pointing out that the "entry level" requirements to become a PT are extremely low. take out these "8 week" courses and suddenly (hopefully) the quality of students will increase, not everyone want to commit to a couple of years at TAFE but an 8 week course? piece of piss. at least the ones that lose interest drop out of the TAFE course before their 2 years is up but way too many that couldnt give a shit make their way through the 8 weeks course too easily
 
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Yeah but on the other hand the 8 weekers find it bloody hard to find a job other than selling gym memberships :D

AIF created a "Master of Fitness" course to address this... they just add some marketing to Cert III/IV. "Just start your own business!" But I think that a person who cannot get someone else to employ them should not start their own business, it's not likely to be a smashing success, there's usually a good reason they couldn't get a job.
 
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The way I understand it you don`t even need qualifications at all.There is no
government standard and the industry itself is largely self regulating.
Have you covered this area Kyle?Am I right in saying this?
If this is the case anyone could open a gym and provided you meet certain OHS ,public liability etc. standards you could freely operate.You may not get support and /or insurance from the industry`s bodies but could you do it?
Markos has said he is not a PT but I can`t recall him saying he has any kind of formal qualifications.
Not doubting his ability at all but it seems quals. aren`t essential.
 
No qualifications at all.

When I began in 1979, there were no certificates, you were simply hired in the gym and trained by someone with more experience than you.

If you got lucky, as I did, you got someone smart. I had a brilliant teacher at my first gym and second gym.

The word PT didnt enter the equation till the 90's, over 12 years AFTER I had been doing the job.

What do you think they were going to teach me by then, how to wipe down a bench.

Not really much point in getting a certificate to work in a field I had no intention on ever entering, PT in a commercial gym.

F U C K , I couldnt even stand training in one lol

My way is not for everyone. The clients that train at PTC have all trained elsewhere before, very few first timers.

What would make someone leave a nice airconditioned/heated gym full of the latest equipment with PT's at your beck and call.

I wonder.........................
 
That`s what I thought Markos.Thanks for confirming that.
Would that still hold true today?Just suppose a gym wanted to hire you or
you wanted to start your own gym.Theoretically is it doable?
 
The reason PTC is succesful is because the results people get there. Its all word of mouth. Anyone with a sound knowledge of training could replicate it.

I have a client with his own studio. He hires clients of mine, with no qualifications, to work as PT's in his gym. He even advertises on my forum for PT's.

He has been operating for close to 10 years, he has had a number of PT's. A certificate is no longer as important to him as sound knowledge on training.

He even approached me about certifiyng lifters at PTC to work in the industry lol

Knowing full well how the industry works, this is not viable. Its a money making scheme.

One friend worked in a well known chain, where the PT's all paiud a fee to operate of the floor.

That gym makes $297,000 pa before a single client walks in the door, just from PT's. It is one of the smallest gyms in its chain. I wonder if they also get a kickback from the institution where it hires all its PT's from.

I'm not interested in participating in an operation like this.

I have had stacks of enquiries about opening a PTC franchise in another state. Some business guys came to visit and said they didnt think it was possible. They said I was PTC, that I wasnt transferrable lol

I have a gym asking me to take some KB cardio sessions for them during the day, for a handsome fee.

I guess if you know what your doing, and you can achieve results, word will spread and you can replicate what has happened at PTC.

The only negative comments I ever hear are from people who have never set foot inside PTC. Anyone that has ever lifted there loves it.

I am currently having a promo video being filmed by Max, simple training footage of every day lifters going about their training, no comp vids or posed stuff, just workouts.

When this goes up on the website, you will be able to see exactly what we do. You can then work out for yourself if indeed you can do it.

I have no doubt there are enough disgruntled lifters in commercial gyms to make any venture like PTC achievable anywhere.

As long as you have knowledge and desire.

Hope this helps.
 
The reason PTC is succesful is because the results people get there. Its all word of mouth. Anyone with a sound knowledge of training could replicate it.

I have had stacks of enquiries about opening a PTC franchise in another state. Some business guys came to visit and said they didnt think it was possible. They said I was PTC, that I wasnt transferrable lol

Contradictory much?

Also, would love to see the vid.
 
Anyone can open a garage gym. Buying a PTC franchise would be a waste of your money. Does that make sense?

Video should be finished shortly.
 
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