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Admin
02-04-2014, 06:22 PM
ARE childless Australians community-spirited enough to pay more taxes to enable people with kids to be taxed less, to help support them as they raise the next generation of taxpayers to keep the country going? It is a controversial proposal, floated today in the US (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/03/tax_credits_and_children_parents_should_pay_lower_ taxes_and_childless_people.html) by one childless columnist who was raised by two extremely hardworking middle class parents who battled—as many Australian families do—to cover family costs.
To foster a fairer society and give those who are producing kids a little less excruciating financial pressure, he suggests that child-free people earning more than the median household income (in Australia $57,400 in 2011) should be taxed more heavily, and families should pay around $5000 a year less.
“As a childless professional in my mid-30s, I often reflect on the sacrifices working parents make to better the lives of their children. And I have come to the reluctant conclusion that I ought to pay much higher taxes so that working parents can pay much lower taxes,” writes conservative columnist and political commentator Reihan Salam in the journal Slate.


http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/should-childless-people-be-taxed-to-help-families/story-fnet085v-1226872378685

bad enough that the single person with nod kids gets ripped off as it is , now this nut wants to tax the single person more , thank fuck this in the US

Admin
02-04-2014, 06:23 PM
but then again i suppose it does already happen in Australia

spartacus
02-04-2014, 06:28 PM
single people already get less benefits than families. That is why Family tax benefit exists.

Bazza20
02-04-2014, 06:35 PM
Great encourage more people to have kids they can't afford.

Mackie
02-04-2014, 06:40 PM
Spot on Bazza, what a fucking ridiculous idea. All you have to do is walk into any low income area and look at all the 16 year old kids pushing prams to see why this is a bad idea.

Meanwhile the single person, with a good head on their shoulders who's trying to have a go in life pays through the nose for it. Stupid kunce.

lkt004
02-04-2014, 06:58 PM
More taxes, just what we need, if i want to build my career before family, i shouldn't be punished, already pay ~40% of my wages into tax as it is!

DREADLIFT
02-04-2014, 07:12 PM
Sounds like communism to me.

kaz
02-04-2014, 07:49 PM
Shit idea.

Could go into a massive rant but Im sure its already been said ^^^

El Testicle
02-04-2014, 07:55 PM
Talk about encouraging breed-4-pay :confused:

Goosey
02-04-2014, 07:58 PM
Pram sales go up, it's not all doom and gloom

Arfwit
03-04-2014, 07:37 AM
So the people trying to get setup to start a family get taxed more than those who rush into it?

With the baby bonus etc we ended up having stupid people outbreed smart people more than before, not the way it should be. I remember seeing something about a group paying drug addicts to be sterilised, that sounds like a better plan...

Neddysmith
03-04-2014, 08:19 AM
never seems to amaze me these governmenta come up with new ways of taxing us, as someone said it sounds like communisim, the government should just take all the money we earn and in return we can food stamps and maybe a little something baxk to spend on what we actually want....

Bazza20
03-04-2014, 08:30 AM
Yep we seem to encourage welfare families to just keep breeding like crazy.

bull
03-04-2014, 08:36 AM
People will always be under financial pressure no matter how much help you give them because they will spend every cent that they have left after necessities. Increasing support for families would only drive up dwelling costs (rent or buy) because they would all get a bigger house with bedrooms that they don't even use, if they had cash left over. Taxing childless people so that families can waste it does not sound like good policy to me.

chocchillimango
03-04-2014, 08:37 AM
Stupid idea.

Hell, nobody gave a toss about helping me while I took time to help care for my father over recent years and lost a considerable amount of income by doing so, with no assistance at all.

I would do it all over again a million times, but I don't see why people having kids is in such a special category.
If you cannot afford them, think twice before you have them.

This planet is already overflowing with stupid humans.

lkt004
03-04-2014, 09:22 AM
I think we are the same person, Vivianne :P.

Except for the feelings.

Big Dave
03-04-2014, 10:10 AM
Taxes will never be truly fair because everyone has different views on what is fair. It's always been easier to go after people who have a higher capacity to pay.

Now for people who think that the well off do nothing take this quote

In 2007–08, the 16 per cent of taxpayers on more than $75,000 accounted for 55 per cent of personal income tax revenue, with almost half of that coming from the three per cent of taxpayers with taxable income over $150,000.

These percentage go up if you take into account government benefits paid to lower income earners


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chocchillimango
03-04-2014, 10:32 AM
I think we are the same person, Vivianne :P.

Except for the feelings.

Lol I'm just in full grumpy cat mode because Thursday is not deadlift day anymore
There is no deadlift day
Just another bench day

So ranting is on lol


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lkt004
03-04-2014, 10:36 AM
47% of my last fortnights pay went to the god dam Government, that's wrong, so so wrong.

El Testicle
03-04-2014, 10:38 AM
47% of my last fortnights pay went to the god dam Government, that's wrong, so so wrong.

You are clearly earning too much...

lkt004
03-04-2014, 10:39 AM
Being on contract it varies a bit, but it still averages about 39%, then there is HECS on top of that, which i don't mind, but still annoying :P

El Testicle
03-04-2014, 10:44 AM
Yeah.. govt. not likely to let any of us get ahead anytime soon :(

spartacus
03-04-2014, 10:46 AM
you must earn a big wage.

Excluding medicare levy, someone on $180,000 per year pays $54,547, which equates to 30.3%

$100,000 means $24,947 tax, which equates to less than 25%.

It is your yearly income and tax rate that matters.

Of course, there are tax on goods and services, but we are not talking about that.

lkt004
03-04-2014, 10:54 AM
Looking at a random pay slip, i earnt $3149 and was taxed $1272.

Roughly 40%, it doesn't help i am on contract and paid per hour worked, which can be up and over 300 hours some fortnights, although i do not actually work 150 hours in that fortnight, they pay me very wierdly.

Will be interesting to see what happens at tax return time.

spartacus
03-04-2014, 10:56 AM
yes, but is that just income tax. You mentioned HECS, which does need to get paid back.

But, if you have paid higher tax some weeks, it will balance out come end of year through refund.

Unfortunately, being a casual worker with some invoices, I had to repay $9,500 this year.

lkt004
03-04-2014, 10:59 AM
Just income tax, HECS on top of that. Roughly $192 and then super paid on top of that.

spartacus
03-04-2014, 11:00 AM
This year is another story, with my golden run ending, I will get something back.

spartacus
03-04-2014, 11:01 AM
not sure how they worked that out then.

Here are tax rates, you can do your own maths.

http://www.ato.gov.au/Rates/Individual-income-tax-rates/

spartacus
03-04-2014, 11:02 AM
Just income tax, HECS on top of that. Roughly $192 and then super paid on top of that.

There is also 1.5% medicare levy, which your boss is likely to include.

lkt004
03-04-2014, 11:05 AM
I work for a large institution, i showed my accountant and he thinks i should get a sizable return including deductions, will be interested to see the final figure.

I am not fussed, if i paid too much i get it all back anyway, being a PAYG system.

TTT
03-04-2014, 11:18 AM
enough of your humblebrag liam...
we get it.. you get lots of money. ;)

Bazza20
03-04-2014, 11:39 AM
enough of your humblebrag liam...
we get it.. you get lots of money. ;)

Lol yeah. Paying lots of tax means you are earning a lot. Cheer up liam.

chocchillimango
03-04-2014, 12:21 PM
Being on contract it varies a bit, but it still averages about 39%, then there is HECS on top of that, which i don't mind, but still annoying :P

I used to pay 48% tax when I was earning ridiculous money in financial services

Freaked me out that what I paid in tax was heaps more than my father earned in a year with all his overtime

And I thought my job was useless compared with his

The world is crazy


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Arfwit
03-04-2014, 01:23 PM
You know the tax system is fucked when people are paying private companies for health insurance just to reduce their tax...

Big Mick
03-04-2014, 02:33 PM
I think families with kids, especially teenagers would eat more that single people or no kid families.

Mckim
04-04-2014, 12:20 AM
Looking at a random pay slip, i earnt $3149 and was taxed $1272.

Roughly 40%, it doesn't help i am on contract and paid per hour worked, which can be up and over 300 hours some fortnights, although i do not actually work 150 hours in that fortnight, they pay me very wierdly.

Will be interesting to see what happens at tax return time.

How do you work over 300 hours in a fortnight when there is only 336 hours total in a fortnight??? You work 22 hours a day 7 days a week?

Also is your payslip for a fortnight? 3149 in a fortnight is just over 80 grand a year. Sounds like your employer is deducting too much tax.

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Mckim
04-04-2014, 12:26 AM
Or did you mean you got $3149 in the hand (making your tax approx 28%)?

This seems more likely.

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lkt004
04-04-2014, 09:30 AM
My contract is odd, i get 2 weeks to do certain things, the company policy states i get paid a certain amount per paper, i get paid for 30 minutes, up to 600 in 2 weeks. My boss knows it doesn't take 30 minutes but i still have to be paid for it, so i get it all in the 2 weeks.

That was a random payslip.

Darkoz
04-04-2014, 08:26 PM
I think families with kids, especially teenagers would eat more that single people or no kid families.

genius!