No need to apologies litebulb; you only need to apologies when you don't ask. To answer your question directly, the answer is yes it is counter-intuitive up to a point and at certain times.
What we are talking about here does not involve getting lean or very lean. Oh no; we are talking about a totally different ball game where fat levels are taken down to a stage that is way below what is considered normal or healthy. We are talking about that stage where the bodybuilder gets ripped to shreds. Is that normal? No thanks; not my cup of tea.
You talk about gaining some weight and losing some definition; that's quite normal. After that stage becomes the hardening up. That occurs by you staying at 80kg and training smart whilst eating at maintenance calorie level. Muscles will get bigger and you lose fat. It's a slow process for some and a fast for others depending on metabolism speed. I'd concentrate on building muscles by training smart instead of losing fat by dieting. You also mention milk in another post, a large amount of milk and protein consumption. No need for either to be at an extreme level.
Just bring your calorie down a bit and exercise properly and your body will take care of the rest. Don't play with your macros except to bring them all down proportionately. 25%, 33%, and 42%. That's P, F, and C. It's very close to a diet called the "zone diet" that is comprised of 30-30-40. Who cares, as long as we don't go to extremes and begin to panic about every minute detail; raising our stress hormone cortisol in the process and letting it have a free feed on our precious muscles.
The more you think about it the more you complicate it. Eat a balanced "diet" that covers all the essential nutrients and train smart (don't like the word hard). We can get into the specifics if you like Litebulb, just ask me a specific question and we'll take it from there...bit by bit (the puzzle comes together to reveal the masterpiece that is you).
Fadi.
Fadi, can you enlighten me on what it means to train "smart", not "hard"?
As of yesterday, I've started a day-on-day-off circuit which is made up of the following (all sets are 30 reps, with 1 min between sets (as per your thread on circuit training)):
1- Thrusters
2- Standing Military Presses
3- Abs
4- Push-ups
5- Hamstring Curls
6- Calf Raises
7- Abs
8- Barbell Curls
9- Assisted Chin Ups
10- Deadlifts
11- Abs
12- Push-ups
Let me assure you, once I was done, I didn't feel "smart". I reached lactic threshold about 24 reps into the Deadlift set too. I must say, the pain felt great (as sado-masochistic as that sounds).
I've also noted in bold-underlined font that you said it was possible for me to stay at 80kg, get bigger, and lose fat at the same time - again, I'm getting a bit of cognitive dissonance here....didn't we say that it was impossible to grow while burning fat?
I'm sure in a few more weeks / months / years I'll start catching on a bit more!
I'm really enjoying the new lifestyle!
"We don't eat for taste, we eat to get big and shred"