I think you may have missed my point completely, (my fault for not been clearer).
What I meant to say is that if taking steroids gave you the muscles you wanted, it would be great to stop there, maintain those muscles for the long term. However for steroids to work, they would need to be taken regularly, hence why pro bodybuilders are on them for the duration of their bodybuilding careers.
You may say well that's not fair, and that I'm asking too much of steroids. And you would be right on the second count, as I am asking for something that would work long term (without necessarily turning you into a pro bodybuilder) yet provide you with enough muscles long term.
I'll give you a hint of where I'm going with this. You see there is something that works long term, for as long as you train properly and eat accordingly. That "thing" is insulin. Your endogenous as opposed to any exogenous insulin that is. To help along the way, carbs would have to enter the equation. It's all about manipulation of this most powerful anabolic hormone, and provision of the proper nutrients that would fuel the process, after a catalyst (as in the proper muscle stimulus) has been achieved.
Now that's part of what I meant by "long term". Thank you for reading.
Fadi.
Firstly, that article is SO poorly written, I skipped parts.
The Article suggests that 4-6 on than an AI, then back on 4-6 weeks on again.
What the fuck is the point in that?
Its makes no mention of compounds or doses.
The only "evidence" you have posted is an "article" that has no references to ANYTHING.
That holds as much worth as me saying doing squats with one eye closed will raised testosterone by 567%
Lets take a look at what happens when somebody takes your (or Dante's) advice of running 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off, and then 4 weeks on again with testosterone enanthate.
Peak blood levels are reached around week 2 (1):
but in almost all experiences, gains dont come on till week 4. Now you want me to come off? And do a pct for 2 weeks, even though Test E has an active half life of 2 weeks (2)?
This means, whilst im running this PCT, im still shut down anyway because of all the exogenous testosterone thats floating around in my body. POINTLESS.
Then you say to get back on for 4 weeks and run another PCT?
People who run a blast and cruise method, like I stated run a gram, cruise for a few weeks at 200mg, then run a gram again. Not run a PCT and go again. That might be A method, but that is NOT blast/cruise.
or
people bridge their cycles.
For anybody else reading, the recommended time between cycles is time on +PCT = time off.
So a 12 week cycle + 2 weeks off + PCT is 18 weeks before you SHOULD go again.
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No doubt.
I'm glad you were smart enough to run dbol and a bombs.
YOU DA MAN!
Neither you nor Dante made mention of compounds of doses.
This is an open forum, where people with no idea (even less than you) come looking for advice.
These people may have read your post and ran the cycle I posted.
I know the compound isn't E, but not everybody does.
And I'm not saying blast/cruise doest work, I know it does.
Your interpretation of the method is incorrect though. Which is the thing I wanted to originally clear up.
Thank you Skalatharx. In fact I wasn't aware of research being done on chemicals that would serve the purpose I was alluding to. That being the case, I was not referring to any form of chemicals, but rather more of a natural avenue towards gaining muscle size.Ahh yes, I see what you mean now. There are allot of research chemicals around that are being developed with the above mentioned. I just wonder if they can come up with a safe one over time. Don't think il be a guinea pig for that lol.
Anyone reading this please DO NOT run 8 week cycles with a 2 week PCT. Be smart, simple as that.
Again, please explain why such a cycle isn't 'smart'. Bearing in mind that the 2 week PCT is just a break between another 8 week cycle with a FULL PCT afterwards
Its really not the best idea to be doing that for a 1st cycle mate - plz im not going to go into a fight over this or anything.
Pretty simple really just dont do it.
The post sticky posted up is what your 1st cycle should look like and really what the base of most cycles should look like.
Who mentioned a first cycle? I said that it was a way that pros stay on the gear all year round.
Ive stated
many times what i think someone who is using 1 or 2 cycles a year should do, 4-8 weeks
blasting and 2 weeks cruising. So if it was one cycle and one only this year you would do
something akin to 4-8 weeks on, 2 weeks antiestrogens and hcg and then 4-8 weeks on
again and pct therapy again and off. That basically is a 8-16 week cycle thats going to be
very easy to keep muscle mass when you get off instead of the guys who hammer
themself for 4 months straight and cross their fingers when they get off with clomid that
they dont disengrate (laughable because it happens 90% of the time) ........So Ive already
hit on that limited super supplement usage that people do above too many times to count
over the last 3 years............and to be brutally honest theres alot of guys (elite pros, top
amateurs and advanced bodybuilders) that are running year round and I know those guys
want to hear what Im going to say on this. SO DONT GET YOUR GODDAMN
PANTIES IN A WAD IF THIS GOES AGAINST WHAT YOU PERSONALLY FEEL
IS RIGHT AND MORALLY SOUND YOU HOLIER THAN THOU PROHORMONE
ABUSERS AND ONCE A YEAR CYCLERS. Examples of some athletes in Europe or
Mexico (where this is all legal)
7 weeks on 2 weeks cruising
6 weeks on 1 week cruising
8 weeks on 2 weeks cruising
7 weeks on 7-10days cruising
Im still struggling to see where ther PTC is during the cycle.
I see blast/cruise.
Also, HCG should be run during cycle to keep the HPTA from shutting down at all.
Oni, here's my observation of the above two sentences. I'll only choose two words from each to make my point (in which there is a lesson/advice for anyone who wishes to take it).I've already stated above why it's a preferred method for people who want to stay on the gear all year round. Even good for people that want to run a cycle once a year or twice a year.
I know nothing about steroids except what I have read on these forums and don't ever intend to use them, unless they were recommended and prescribed to me by my doctor.
I would find it alarming to hear that people inject substances into themselves that have been imported illegaly and sold on the black market. There is clearly much debate on what is safe/good/dangerous/wastefull/ineffective but general agreement that it can have disastrous effects if not used properly.
I would hope that no one goes and sources steroids and uses them purely based on what they have read on this website or any other. People seem to think it's okay if you know what you are doing, but how do you know if you are doing it right unless you have a doctor helping you? It seems to be pretty risky behavior with vanity being the motivator.
I do find the debate interesting though.
I would hope that no one goes and sources steroids and uses them purely based on what they have read on this website or any other. People seem to think it's okay if you know what you are doing, but how do you know if you are doing it right unless you have a doctor helping you? It seems to be pretty risky behavior with vanity being the motivator.
I do find the debate interesting though.
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