I'm struggling to as well but I did have one of the best workouts ever on it.... and tripped major balls! Hence I don't think it will be any good for when I train at work, will give false positives for shizzle (but N30x is in the same boat). As I say, will see how the BN stuff stacks up.
Apoc is like $80odd delivered! Seems a bit rich but is 70 servings so a bit over $1 per serve which I'd say is about average? Provided one serve is enough, had two with the sample and it was too much.
If you don't want to spring $80 for a tub, they do cheap samples though if you can't get any from Stan on here.