I don't follow IIFYM because there's a lot of foods I don't touch even if they're LCHF. I follow some keto principles like grass fed beef and free range chicken but I still eat dairy, I just try and make sure they come from grass fed cattle (wherever possible).I did low carb keto style diets for years. It was a terrible time. I managed to get fat and lean on keto at different times. Bulking on keto wasn't much really a problem. Cutting was a different story.
Cutting on keto my lifting went to absolute shit. I lost a heap of muscle, was always lethargic. I got lean but didn't look muscular at all. I had comments from people I looked like a cancer patient, not the look I was going for. I found it worse for cravings. Not saying it won't work for some, you can sure loose weight but for the majority of people low carb keto is no good for performance in the gym and keeping muscle while cutting.
Just because you are in keto doesn't mean you can't put on fat. Also IIFYM also applies to keto just you macro ratios are changed.
So much thisIf it works for you then that is all that matters really. Science is one thing but self experimentation is very beneficial.
I had this stoush with @MaxBrenner on his facebook page. I'm not disputing there's no metabolic advantage but that's not the only factor in weight loss.
The main reasons I stick with a keto/LCHF diet are
- There's scientific evidence that high fat/low carb meals blunt your insulin response meaning you feel less hungry less often and require less food to be satiated. I lost 9kgs in 3 months this year with ease on an intermittent fasting keto diet (took me 6 months to achieve the same thing leangains style)
- Cravings a drastically reduced
- Despite their being scientific evidence of no metabolic advantage I've found I've been able to eat ~300 more calories per day on keto than with leangains and achieving better results
Put it this way I followed a leangains IIFYM style diet for 6 months last year and found it a lot more difficult and draining than following LCHF, meaning I believe it's a diet that you can only sustain for a certain period of time. I believe I'll eat LCHF for the rest of my life because of how much better it makes me look and feel.
Just ask my GFI've gone from an angry calorie counting IIFYM gorilla to a zen-like keto buddha
The newer more credible scientific data (ie studies not backed by big pharma or grain organisations) suggests homocysteine and visceral fat levels are the true indicators of poor cardiovascular health and not consumption of saturated fats or cholesterol levels as has been believed for the past 50 years. It seems increasingly likely that the inflammatory response from processed foods is what hurts us and blaming Cholesterol for all heart attacks is like blaming firemen for all fires, just because they are both at the scene of the crime doesn't imply they are responsible for the act.I'm no expert on keto and this isn't a critique but a question - regarding your assertion that you may eat LCHF for 'the rest of your life', would a long term diet consisting of disproportionately high fats possibly pose some health risks, especially is there is a higher than desirable percentage of saturated fats?
While it may be beneficial in a fat loss diet, if you were trying to build muscle do you think that it may impede your progress given the properties of carbohydrates (or lack thereof)? Just questions not a criticisms.
The newer more credible scientific data (ie studies not backed by big pharma or grain organisations) suggests homocysteine and visceral fat levels are the true indicators of poor cardiovascular health and not consumption of saturated fats or cholesterol levels as has been believed for the past 50 years. It seems increasingly likely that the inflammatory response from processed foods is what hurts us and blaming Cholesterol for all heart attacks is like blaming firemen for all fires, just because they are both at the scene of the crime doesn't imply they are responsible for the act.
ABC's Catalyst tacked this issue last year to scathing criticism and were subsequently pulled from the ABC's website due to concerns of bias. However upon reading the report the only element of both episodes (see below) they found to be unbalanced was in the second episode when they neglected to mention the benefit of statins to those who had already suffered a heart attack (called secondary prevention). Seems like a bit of an overreaction to pull both episodes right?
There are some populations that have evolved to live on such diets (inb4 someone says "inuit" oops lol). But that takes generations and is a product of their geography, food supply, climate adaptation etc. Not a dietary choice per se.
This is true.The truth usually lies in the statement of "too much of anything is going to be a bad thing, regardless of how good that thing is".
This is even truer (sic?)The exception, of course, is chocolate. Oh and ice cream. Especially chocolate ice cream
Your are claiming big pharma and grain company conspiracies. On the other side of the argument you can also claim those with money invested in the low carb keto movement could also be blurring the scientific research in their favor with funding money.
The only people who would be benefiting from such a conspiracy are small time farmers and dairies feeding their cattle nothing but grass. Hardly the type to sponsor million dollar research projects.
I don't follow any particular individual's ethos and am therefore immune from being subjected to advertoirals for George Columbaris' low carb Swisse Vitamins or feel the need to purchase Pete Evans' latest cook book (both recent converts to LCHF). There's no denying the presence of self serving scam artists.You have the blinkers on mate. Plenty of ways to make money through low carb keto band wagon. You can't have it both ways. Both sides have an agenda and both try and make money off it and both put money into studies.
Don't get me started on grass only fed cows. Let me keep it simple. Grass while a good feed at times isn't the magical perfect feed for cows that the stuff your reading is telling you.
However surely you can see the advantages to purchasing food stuffs through small time producers with an actual affinity for the animals they are rearing rather than massive conglomerate companies that only care for their bottom line.
So grass is bad for cows how exactly?This just shows you are reading information off a dodgy website not coming from actual knowledge on topic.
The grass fed movement in full of crap.
Also the idea that small farms treat animals better or it's better to put have food from small farms than large corporate farms has no realisation in the real world.
How many large and small farms have you been to.
For your reference this is where I am right now.
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So grass is bad for cows how exactly?
I spent a lot of time on my uncles farm which I suppose I would consider a large farm but probably not many more than that.
For your reference this is where I am right now.
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I know you're working but wow, that's a magnificent view. Not a bad office
Look all I'm doing is buying butter from these guysThat's the problem it's not just back or white. Grass isn't either good or bad.
I could go on all day about the topic and no one wants that. Keeping it basic lets just say modern dairy cows cannot physically eat enough grass to meet their energy requirements. This can lead to rapid weight loss which causes ketosis( can easily be fatal if not treated), fatty liver( can be fatal). Grass doesn't contain enough minerals for milk producing cows that will also cause death. Again, this is the the tip of it.
I wasn't casting any aspersions on the size of your farm, I was commenting on the size of my uncle's farm.I wish a couple of weekends at a relatives farm made people experts it would make my job a lot easier.
I do find it amusing you can tell the size of my farm from that pic. Somehow you know what wasn't even in the pic. Lol.
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