I currently take Cenovis Men's Multi Performance.
Why?? Just in case, I do miss it often and will go without taking it for a while.
Don't notice any difference if I take it and don't take it, so not sure if there is any real benefits to it.
It's that attitude the whole reason you're anti supplements? Doing something for no reason other than "just in case".
If you think you are deficient go to the doc and get a blood test and take the vitamin you are deficient in rather than taking a heap of random shit for no reason.
As for the research there was a large observational study done with something like 20+ thousand people and the people taking multi vitamins had a higer death rate. Now this does not mean multi vitamins are causing more people to die but it doesn't look good for the benifits of taking a multi vitamin for no reason.
The other problem is people think vitamins are harmless, they are still a chemical that can have side effects on the body. There was a cancer treatment trial with vitamin e from memory. The trial was pulled because the vitamin e was causing massive increases in cancer.
Also some tableted vitamins don't end up having the same benifical effects that vitamins from food do. Eg eating a diet high in antioxidant vitamins can prevent cancer. Taking tablets high in antioxidant vitamins seems to have zero to negative effects on cancer prevention.
remeber the suppliment industry unlike the drug industry is unregulated. They can sell vitamin and mineral tablets without safety testing. It's only when people start dying do the get looked at for safety.
Who ever said I am anti supplement??
I am anti useless. I know you are a supplement fan boy and blindly lap up what is written on the glossy label, but you need to look past that and understand what you are taking and why.
You read my training log, what in there makes me a supplement fan boy?
--- Food ---------------------------------------- Calories ----- Fats ----- Protein ----- Carbs
BREAKFAST (7am)
Omelette - No Carbs (4 egg whites, 1 egg,
20g feta cheese). ------------------------------- 204 ---------- 50% ------ 49% --------- 1%
OR
Yoghurt - No Carbs (170g low fat yoghurt,
30g WPC/WPI protein). --------------------------- 217 ----------- 4% ------ 78% --------- 18%
MID MORNING (11am)
30g WPC/WPI protein. 5g instant coffee. --------- 115 ---------- 7% ------- 84% --------- 9%
LUNCH (2pm)
40g cashews. ------------------------------------ 254 ---------- 73% ------ 11% --------- 17%
OR
40g almonds. ------------------------------------ 238 ---------- 74% ------ 13% --------- 13%
OR
1 Quest bar. ------------------------------------ 211 ---------- 35% ------ 31% --------- 33%
PRE WORKOUT (5pm)
6 rice cakes. ----------------------------------- 180 ---------- 21% ------ 7% ---------- 72%
10g pre workout & BCAAs. ------------------------ 34 ----------- 1% ------- 13% --------- 86%
POST WORKOUT (6:30pm)
30g WPC/WPI protein. 30g dextrose.
5g creatine. ------------------------------------ 255 ---------- 3% ------- 45% --------- 51%
DINNER (8pm)
Kale Shake (100g kale, 50g spinach,
25g celery, 25g Lebanese cucumber,
10g garlic, 10g ginger). ------------------------ 84 ----------- 13% ------ 26% --------- 61%
300g chicken breast. ---------------------------- 495 ---------- 21% ------ 79% --------- 0%
OR
275g rump beef. --------------------------------- 487 ---------- 28% ------ 72% --------- 0%
OR
250g salmon. ------------------------------------ 505 ---------- 59% ------ 41% --------- 0%
OR
Omelette (4 egg whites, 2 eggs,
100g of smoked salmon, 40g feta cheese). -------- 487 ---------- 53% ------ 46% --------- 1%
BEFORE BED (10pm)
10g Metamucil. ---------------------------------- 34 ----------- 0% ------- 0% ---------- 100%
TOTAL (Target based on 72.5kg: f*0.6, p*2.7, c*1.5) ---------- (43.5g) ----- (195.7g) ----- (108.7g)
Average ----------------------------------------- 1649 - 26% (46.8g) - 47% (192.6g) - 27% (109.4g) - Fibre 16.5g
Highlighted some for you, not counting the fat burners and other rubbish you talk about taking.
If you want to get down to what we really need, you should be drinking nothing but water (no coffee, diet/regular soft drinks, milk, juice, etc). No sauces on your food, no extra salt or pepper on anything. Everything should be steamed or boiled and not cooked with oil.
Why?? This is the problem right here.
Why not just eat normal food that helps you achieve your goals, I have been through this before with you. What is wrong with steak and salad vegies, stir fries, BBQ'd meats marinated in various marinades etc etc, the choices are endless. Good food does not have to taste like cardboard.
You eat rubbish like quest bars and rice cakes, seriously who the fuck eats rice cakes and why, would love to know what benefit they have, yet you throw out the best part of the egg, the part that has all the nutrients that will help your muscles to grow the part that tastes the best the part that helps your hormone levels to remain elevated when you make omelettes?? Makes no sense when you actually think about it
You eat rubbish like quest bars and rice cakes, seriously who the fuck eats rice cakes and why, would love to know what benefit they have, yet you throw out the best part of the egg, the part that has all the nutrients that will help your muscles to grow the part that tastes the best the part that helps your hormone levels to remain elevated when you make omelettes?? Makes no sense when you actually think about it
Why not just eat normal food that helps you achieve your goals, I have been through this before with you. What is wrong with steak and salad vegies, stir fries, BBQ'd meats marinated in various marinades etc etc, the choices are endless. Good food does not have to taste like cardboard.
You eat rubbish like quest bars and rice cakes, seriously who the fuck eats rice cakes and why, would love to know what benefit they have, yet you throw out the best part of the egg, the part that has all the nutrients that will help your muscles to grow the part that tastes the best the part that helps your hormone levels to remain elevated when you make omelettes?? Makes no sense when you actually think about it
Are we talking vitamins and minerals or supplements in general now.
Bodybuilding supps (some) do have scientific backing.
If you think you are deficient go to the doc and get a blood test and take the vitamin you are deficient in rather than taking a heap of random shit for no reason.
As for the research there was a large observational study done with something like 20+ thousand people and the people taking multi vitamins had a higer death rate. Now this does not mean multi vitamins are causing more people to die but it doesn't look good for the benifits of taking a multi vitamin for no reason.
The other problem is people think vitamins are harmless, they are still a chemical that can have side effects on the body. There was a cancer treatment trial with vitamin e from memory. The trial was pulled because the vitamin e was causing massive increases in cancer.
Also some tableted vitamins don't end up having the same benifical effects that vitamins from food do. Eg eating a diet high in antioxidant vitamins can prevent cancer. Taking tablets high in antioxidant vitamins seems to have zero to negative effects on cancer prevention.
remeber the suppliment industry unlike the drug industry is unregulated. They can sell vitamin and mineral tablets without safety testing. It's only when people start dying do the get looked at for safety.
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