@RyanF: did you ever read the Starting Strength book, and this article? http://startingstrength.com/articles/clarification_rippetoe.pdf ? That said, I don't agree with eating 3500 calories a day to lose weight, because for me at least, it won't. In the book he specifically states that GOMAD is only for super skinny guys who can't put on weight as a last ditch effort, and to not do it for longer than 6 weeks or so.
@0ni : Ronnie Coleman, Arnold spring to mind
But getting bigger and stronger is the same fucking thing jesus christ
no it's not, plenty of unaesthetic or small people who are extremely strong.
They don't eat enough
We've already been through this before.
Would it be fair to say that training for strength primarily, builds stronger skeletal structure and tendons etc? It could be why it takes a little longer to grow than someone training only for pump up muscles...
Ok...well I disagree on certain things...
I think you can train differently to achieve slightly different results.
You mean this book?@RyanF: did you ever read the Starting Strength book, and this article? http://startingstrength.com/articles/clarification_rippetoe.pdf ? That said, I don't agree with eating 3500 calories a day to lose weight, because for me at least, it won't. In the book he specifically states that GOMAD is only for super skinny guys who can't put on weight as a last ditch effort, and to not do it for longer than 6 weeks or so.
@0ni : Ronnie Coleman, Arnold spring to mind
There's a lot I could critique him on. I've already discussed his sloppy nutritional advice, bad weight gain targets and inflated appearance of strength results here. I also find his programming woefully imbalanced (and in ways that are easily fixable, so there's not much excuse for it); a lot of his technique/coaching points leave much to be desired (apparently glute drive is taught through knee extension in response to molestation); and his dogmatic approach to exercise selection (which seems to be a tactic used purely to market SS) is cringe-worthy. Maybe in private he's not so bad, but in public he seems to be more of a cult leader in the guise of a strength coach than just a plain old strength coach trying to help people.Ryanf
I'm going to be honest here and say that I've never read a Rippetoe book, I have one on my kindle, but yet to read, only what I've seen in short articles on the net and videos.
i don't even know his background but whatever I've seen or read makes sense to me, my opinion is, there not a lot to write about in weight lifting (how to add muscle) you could do this in probably 1000 words, but I'm interested in what you wrote about your success with it, and then say some was "horse-shit".
Could you just give me the horse shit points in few words?
It’s all relative to what your sport requires of you to do and focus your training on. It’s not as black and white as you may think.I really don't see how people canthink you can get strong without muscles, or get muscles withoutstrength...aren't we all just doing both at the same time?
No it’s not according to my information and experience, and thank God it’s not or we would really be in trouble here. I may want to focus my training (and I did in my weightlifting years) on strength dominance over muscle hypertrophy dominance. And just as well there is a way to accentuate one aspect over another, i.e. strength over muscle size or vice versa.But getting bigger and stronger is thesame fucking thing jesus christ
It’s all relative to what your sport requires of you to do and focus your training on. It’s not as black and white as you may think.
No it’s not according to my information and experience, and thank God it’s not or we would really be in trouble here. I may want to focus my training (and I did in my weightlifting years) on strength dominance over muscle hypertrophy dominance. And just as well there is a way to accentuate one aspect over another, i.e. strength over muscle size or vice versa.
Perchance I've misunderstood the gist of your points above gentlemen, I'd be more than happy to expand on my own view point in future posts...
Fadi.
It’s all relative to what your sport requires of you to do and focus your training on. It’s not as black and white as you may think.
No it’s not according to my information and experience, and thank God it’s not or we would really be in trouble here. I may want to focus my training (and I did in my weightlifting years) on strength dominance over muscle hypertrophy dominance. And just as well there is a way to accentuate one aspect over another, i.e. strength over muscle size or vice versa.
Perchance I've misunderstood the gist of your points above gentlemen, I'd be more than happy to expand on my own view point in future posts...
Fadi.
It’s all relative to what your sport requires of you to do and focus your training on. It’s not as black and white as you may think.
No it’s not according to my information and experience, and thank God it’s not or we would really be in trouble here. I may want to focus my training (and I did in my weightlifting years) on strength dominance over muscle hypertrophy dominance. And just as well there is a way to accentuate one aspect over another, i.e. strength over muscle size or vice versa.
Perchance I've misunderstood the gist of your points above gentlemen, I'd be more than happy to expand on my own view point in future posts...
Fadi.
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