Yes, I am actually a lot looser on 20 rep squats because the weight is not really that heavy...which is why I can do 20 reps with it. With that said, it is most definitely something I should work on and doing so might see me repping out to 30...ur loose on ur 20 reppers mate
Well clearly it does, I have never done a PB squat 'loose'.being a Pb has nothing to do with it
loose squat is a loose squat
Yes, I am actually a lot looser on 20 rep squats because the weight is not really that heavy...which is why I can do 20 reps with it. With that said, it is most definitely something I should work on and doing so might see me repping out to 30...
Well clearly it does, I have never done a PB squat 'loose'.
Current IPF Classification: Class I
SQ: 227.5 kg
B: 122.5 kg
DL: 225 kg
Total: 550 kg
Wilks Coefficient: 443.135
"Raw"
SQ: 143 kg (w/o belt)
B: 202.5 lbs, 95 kg (T+G)
DL: 212.5 kg (w/ belt)
Total: 445 kg
Minh, I'm not taking it as an insult, I'm just not sold on the advice and opinion you are giving me. Therefor I'm questioning you on it to try and understand better.
I have spent hours reading articles on TNATION about squatting. I have also spent hours squatting. From my own trials, I know the difference between being tight and loose, and also how the results can vary depending on your squat action too.
Do you forget I'm not wearing a lifting suit and knee wraps? I do not believe at this stage, making any changes to my squat technique would see me lift more weight. In fact I don't even feel I could make that lift again at the moment, and I'm just glad I did make it in competition where everything is 100% legit so I know it was real and not a dream lol.
How's this for an open mind, if anyone local is willing to spend some time with me, I will come down and try anything you reckon will improve my technique and see if it results in more weight being lifted.
Personally, I accept the fact I'm a novice and simply need to spend more time lifting to get stronger before I start spending hours working on the finer points of technique...
I like to think of injuries as tax and strength as wealth.
I thought I was tight enough before too, but when looking at and learning from the very best squatters, I realised that I was very loose in comparison.
gday, sorry to take this a bit off track, but im really interested about this "tightness". Here is a video of me at a recent comp - would you say i am "tight", or is this something i need to work on aswell?if you are ever in melbourne
or if im teaching the powerlifting course in Brisbane or Sydney, im happy to coordinate something with you
i believe firmly that tightness and the fluid drop is paramount to novices,that is where the foundation on a squat is
not just lifting and not knowing the finer points
when i coach i coach novices to elite
lifters that are stronger and then me , weaker than me on par with me
im very analytical
you should yearn to understand a movement 100% before you can progress
flawless technique makes an average lifter good
a good lifter great
add me to facebook, we can chat there
gday, sorry to take this a bit off track, but im really interested about this "tightness". Here is a video of me at a recent comp - would you say i am "tight", or is this something i need to work on aswell?
YouTube - Lozzo 165kg Squat
thank you very much! ill look foward to hearing the rest.ok lets break this down
1. Walk Out
2. Descent
3. Reversal
4. Lockout
1. The Setup before the walkout is more important than the lift itself
take your time there, set ur hands, squeeze under the bar, pull urself under with ur lats, this will flex your rear deats, thereby creating a shelf to put the bar on. Thinmk about the 4 axis around the bar
traps, 2 delts, lats, erectors
once you are tight, get the hips under the bar and stand up with your chest proud. You want to be set up there and then, under a max weight you will loose air and waste energy on resetting up with the bar pushing down on you as opposed to no weight on you.
stand up lock ur knees and hips
walk back with straight legs! down waste your quad or erectors before the lift has started. Stand upright and wait for the start call
sorry work is over, i have to go out
finish this on the weekend
but u got info to work on
BTW...don't confuse tightness with slow descent, ill explain that later
The stress of lifting weights is heavy, but it's controlled. Out on the footy field it's uncontrolled. It's like drag-racing on a straight track compared to hooning in a demolition derby.In my experience weightlifting is one of the safer sports when it comes to injuries. I have hardly had an injury from lifting weights yet have a shopping list of injuries from playing footy.
I agree. Let's remember that "strength training / power lifting" doesn't only mean "... for competitions." If you're looking at achieving strength like squatting your bodyweight for reps, putting 3/4 BW overhead and deadlifting 3/2 BW - a level of strength that would set you up well for everyday life and recreational sports, improve your posture and in combination with better food improve your looks and health - well you'd have to try pretty hard to get injured working up to and maintaining lifts like that.pistachio said:i like to think (perhaps foolishly) that is IS possible to avoid injury. not if you want to compete in a PL comp or anything, but if you are just a recreational bodybuilder.
WTF is this shit?
i just get under the bar, walk back and squat the damn thing while thinking about banging a 10/10
Which is fine to do in training, but if your lifting in a comp then you don't want to be rushing the set up.
WTF is this shit?
i just get under the bar, walk back and squat the damn thing while thinking about banging a 10/10
I have never said or claimed to be an expert.Ghostrun. I would suggest being a little more open to advise given to you.
Reading T-Nation hardly makes you an expert.
So how does that apply to someone who doesn't compete?I'm inclined to disagree. Each rep, from squatting the bar, up to working sets in training, should be approached with the same level of concentration, thought, and intensity as if it were a competition.
I've been told to set myself up the same way for each set/rep - right down to little things like which wrist strap goes on first. Trick the body into high intensity mode. In the end, a person is just another creature of habit.
..just like banging 7 gram rocksWTF is this shit?
i just get under the bar, walk back and squat the damn thing while thinking about banging a 10/10
His lifts aren't just good, they are elite - Class 1 IPF lifter...A wise analogy Nick. In this, I like to think of my coach as my accountant.
Ghosty - you're using a sample size of 1. Deductive reasoning is terribly weak with such a small sample size. Think about it this way, as this is what you've just said -
Person X weighs the same as person Y.
Person X's lifts are good
Person Y's lift figures are similar to Person X.
Therefore, person Y's form must be good.
If you don't read or learn from someone better, then how can you identify what is wrong with your own?If a person is satisfied with their lifts, then they're never going to seek out knowledge, interpret it (correctly) and apply it. There is very little point in spending hours reading T Nation (as mentioned above by Michael), if you look at your own squat and have very few criticisms to make. If there's so very little to correct, then perhaps that person would be better off writing some articles for T Nation, rather than reading them.
If one cannot understand their faults, then one will never correct them.
I agree. Let's remember that "strength training / power lifting" doesn't only mean "... for competitions." If you're looking at achieving strength like squatting your bodyweight for reps, putting 3/4 BW overhead and deadlifting 3/2 BW - a level of strength that would set you up well for everyday life and recreational sports, improve your posture and in combination with better food improve your looks and health - well you'd have to try pretty hard to get injured working up to and maintaining lifts like that.
Why are there people doing less than 100kg squats, bench presses and deadlifts spending more time analysing their "form" then actually lifting?
Mike has told us form isn't important, only lifting heavy weight, and we've found out that he used poor form while lifting heavy weight and injured himself. He's taught us a valuable lesson: results count, and count much more than words or theories.
Mike's philosophy:
Mike's result: SQ137.5kg @68kg and injury.
Now we know, following Mike's advice gets you a double bodyweight squat and injuries.
So the plan you followed which gave you good but not great lifts and injured your back you're going to use with your shoulders, too?
Good luck.
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