vader-nator
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Good Call Fadi, I will get the ball rolling.
Best Rob
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In my family, no one has had a record of prostate problems. However that didn't stop me from taking preventative measures years ago through supplementation and stopping milk consumption and products made from it. It's a deep subject that would require a separate article by itself and would mean hijacking your thread. Don't wish to do either at the moment Rob.
Fadi.
Steroids brings people past their upper limits. Or, it is an easier way of getting to their upper limits without nearly as much effort.
What about a natural limit? I guess there would be an un-natural limit as well? Some people may break past their natural limits with steroids but their un-natural limit is still well below the likes of Jay Cuter or Ron Coleman in terms of bodybuilding?
To me the tree of potential refers to drug free.
genetic modification
I'm not bothered by Joe Average. No-one has a moral duty to become strong, fit, or buff-looking. (They do have a duty to be healthy, but that's a lot easier to do.)
I'm just pointing out that putting an extra 1kg on their squat is not a thing the typical person worries about. When we're talking about physiological limits to our performance, not only is it true that you or I are far from having to worry about those limits, but "Joe Average" isn't coming even within shouting distance of them.
Whenever someone quotes Casey Butt's or Lyle McDonald's work, there's always a howl of protest from a bunch of 60kg scrawny teenagers or 110kg fat guys about how this won't be a limit for them, honest, they'll bust through these limits with hard work and UberAnabolicMassGainer6000. And it's ridiculous, because they're so far under the limits today. It'd be like me saying I was going to bust through the 300kg bench press barrier when I barely do an 85kg bench press. Nice to have a long-term goal, but let's have some realistic short-term goals in the meantime. Let's see me do 100kg, 130kg, and so on first.
It's important to keep in mind just where you are, or where most of us are. And that is far, far below any physiological limits we have. So far below that those physiological limits are basically irrelevant. Much more relevant is the limit of how often we can be bothered getting off our arses to lift or run, how much good food we're willing to eat, and so on.
Mate, I'm agreeing with you.
I hate the 'you can do anything' approach, because you just can't. Theres a reason why raw records for the squat (without juice) seem to stagnate around 600 - because there are physical limits people reach, and to get beyond them requires a crawl of a pace.
Limits, even for the average lifter, need to be considered.
What about a natural limit? I guess there would be an un-natural limit as well? Some people may break past their natural limits with steroids but their un-natural limit is still well below the likes of Jay Cuter or Ron Coleman in terms of bodybuilding?
why is an athlete considered un-natural if the use gear, when they are simply icreasing the ammount of hormones in theif body ?
Because they are increasing them to levels no human would ever reach normally - naturally.
Remember that this is going to have an effect on them long-term. Nobody has done clinical trials of the effects of mixing large amounts of testosterone, growth hormone, insulin and so on - they couldn't do those clinical trials, because they'd carry too large a risk of long-term damage, and would thus be unethical.
These people are using themselves as guinea pigs for a medical experiment. And they are not scientists, either. Just look at all the bullsht out there about physical training, about something as simple as lifting up something heavy and putting it down again. Now just imagine all the bullsht they must encounter about these drugs and their effects.
Now load up your syringe... No way, mate. It's crazy.
One of my mates in the 1990's was on loads of horse steroids.
I asked him what his doctor said about that. He said he had never seen a doctor or ever had his blood looked at.
He used to like to munch on raw carrots. LOL
I said to him that I thought he was messing with nature. His reply. "A horse is a big mammal. So am I....."
It's all just funny.
What ever you need to do to fill the space you need to be in.
LOL
No thanks.
Rob
Do you have a pic Vador? I wanna see what you mean as far as being close to maxing your potential drug free, thanks.
Here is me in the distant past 1996. At present I am double this size but fatter. See blue shirt pic.
you were taller back in 96 too. look at you tower over that metal fence compared to now. lots of squats and deadlifts to blame maybe
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