No need to skip them, they are a great tool for people that want to put on weight. Just buy some protein powder, WPC will be perfect for gaining weight (try no bull supplements or ebay or similar) and buy a few KG of dextrose powder (home brew shop, Big W, etc) then mix it up yourself. 40grams of WPC and 30-50grams of dextrose in 250-350ml of milk.
Mick you are the one the sprouts the most nutritional BS of anyone. eg grains are equivalent to plastic. So don't get on your high horse just yet.
Weight gain shakes have a purpose but they are as much a junk food as all the food you are so against. They are just a protein shake full of sugar. I would much rather make my own high calorie food or drink than have a weight gain shake full of dextrose but that's up to the person.
As above in my original post, if a person is having trouble putting on weight they need to add calories, if they are already eating a lot, may be they need to eat and squeeze in 2-3 weight gain shakes between meals to achieve their particular goal. My own goals however is quite different, and a weight gain shake would be poison to ME and my goals, as I could not think of anything worse to have for MY goals.
For my goals I need to have no dextrose, and I stick to lowest carb content WPI for my additional protein needs, as well as tuna, steak, chicken, pork, salad, vegetables etc. I eat as much of this food as I like, till I am stuffed and no longer hungry, I do not eat excess carbs, grains, bread, processed foods that come in packets, cakes, pop tarts, soft drinks, diet soft drinks (which taste disgusting anyway) etc, this as discussed before has been my only dietary change this year, and guess what I have dropped another 3kg since we have had this silly discussion last time, without once counting carbs or considering the amount of food I eat.
So just because weight gainer shakes are not my thing for my goals does not mean that they are not suitable for the person and his wife who started this thread, as a matter of fact a couple of shakes a day could be just what the doctor ordered for these two, add some weight training 3-4 times a week and they could just possibly achieve their goals of adding some lean mass and shape to their bodies.
So a few weight gainer shakes as above will greatly assist in gaining weight as some people can only eat so much food in a day. And calorie dense foods tend to fill people up even faster.
First I have had a lot of people tell me they eat a lot and can't put on weight but in reality they don't eat a lot.
Me I would prefer chocolate ice cream to a weight gainer but that's up to the person.
I've lost weight both ways. I did low carb, strictly no dirty food for a year or two. Now I count calories and eat what ever I want and am leaner and stronger than before. Both ways can work, but for me low carb is not sustainable or as effective long term. I actually found it very easy to put on weight eating low carb if I didn't watch my volume of food.
Gidday Mick
At times you don't seem to grasp the concepts of what your saying... Calorie dense would be less filling food...
Incidently if calorie counting didn't work on you? Was it because that approach doesn't work or because you where not counting calories accurately?
I note you have lost weight with CBL.... All succesful approaches place you in a calorie deficit by default... Whether you count the calories or use CBL or IF or KETO or any other diet out there... Its all about the deficit to lose weight or excess to gain weight...
Then we look at macros ratios and excercise to determine body composition
And then your micros for health and well being...
Calorie dense food is by nature more filling, try having cream, chocolate, scrambled eggs or any other really dense heavy foods, you generally only need a little bit to feel full, I can eat a crap load of salad or or veggies, and still be hungry.
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Totally wrong. Try eating 2000 calories of chocolate vs 2000 calories of chicken breast and salad.
Calorie dense food is so much easier to get a heap of calories down.
Mick is right, it's not always as simple as that especially as you get older
Well it looks like your body works different to mine.
I tried counting calories and it did not work, left me hungry all the time and still lost no weight, my maintenance calories were worked out to be 2760/day, tried having that and doing cardio and lost nothing.
Dropped to 2500, nothing, 2200 dropped a bit and stalled, 2000 drooped a bit and was always hungry, then stalled again, 1800 and I was feeling like I was going to die, and still not losing any decent weight, before xmas last year gave up and just ate and trained and went to 123kg
Started cutting out bread and carbs and processed foods, eat as mentioned above and eat till I am stuffed when ever I am hungry, will snack on cold meats, chicken, cheese etc between meals, for example had a huge breakfast this morning, eggs, mushrooms, bacon, then about 1pm had half a chicken, then a huge steak, greek salad, and huge plate of veggies (could not even finnish it), will have a protein shake before bed. Eat like that most days, never even consider the amount of calories I eat, feel full and satisfied, never go hungry ever this year yet.
And as of this morning I am sitting on 108kg, aiming to get to around 100kg and then adjust from there depending on what the mirror tells me.
Really want to give CBL a run once I get as lean as I want to be, see if it will work for me, if it does not, I do now finally know what does work for ME
Mick is right, it's not always as simple as that especially as you get older
I lose weight on 4000 calories normally and 5000 in the footy season.
If counting calories left you hungry it was the food choices that were the problem not the counting calories. I could blow my 4000 calorie a day in chocolate and chips before 10am and be hungry for the rest of the day. Counting calories doesn't magically make food less filling.
There is nothing special about eating low carb that makes you lose weight
I want mick to explain if low carb is the secret to losing weight and counting calories does not work. Double the amount of food you are eating on low carb and tell me what happens.
I want mick to explain if low carb is the secret to losing weight and counting calories does not work. Double the amount of food you are eating on low carb and tell me what happens.
Double the amount of food you are eating on low carb and tell me what happens.
Counting cals was the best thing I done in regards to losing weight. Now I'm counting cals to gain weight at a steady rate to minimise fat gains.
Mick,
If your eating until your full every time and losing weight, how will you arrest the weight loss?
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