my lifts are average 220/150/275 at 110 no equipment.
3 bulging discs, last one was serious, had me in bed for 3 days almost unable to move.
Started training at 79kg in 2007, made the above lifts early 2010, took a few holidays and injurys in those 3 years no not solid training the whole time.
It's a piss in the pan compared to people like adam, steve, Wayne, Shane and plenty of other younger guys too like jdizzle, fergiez, freako and plenty of others.
Stronger than me and the OP. I know who I'll be listening to
I can confidently say that Mike is not talking about form, but rather guys spending time perfecting a technique whilst ignoring the reason we go to the gym, to get strong.
He is not stupid enough to tell people to lift with shit form, thats not what he's trying to say.
How many times has someone posted on here that they dont squat or deadlift because they dont know how and want to get their technique right before they start.
How the fuck did anybody ever pick anything up in the beginning.
Mikes not the best at explaining himself, but I've been reading his posts for years and understand what he means.
You shouldve too Nick before having a crack at Ghosty, when has he ever been clear in his posts.
When I began lifting, the goals for lifters were simply 200-300-400lb. Once achieved, you could stray from the basics.
Mike is saying guys cant do that and are straying from the basics in search of an easier way. Thats all.
And for the record, Mike has done 204-303-369 at under 150lb. Thats not too bad
Strong is Strong
Doing the exercises wrongly can benefit you by progressively building up strength in those bad positions in a safe way, so in the future when you're doing a lift with real weight and you come out the groove you don't break in half.
As you grow more experienced you will learn yourself what corrections you need to make to make your lifting more efficient (i.e. correct FORM) - that's a given and comes with the territory. I just cannot get over how many people I see wasting so much time on the little things when they are insignificant. As you start to get stronger they become significant, but for a novice, in my opinion, the most important thing is time spent LIFTING.
Doing the exercises wrongly can benefit you by progressively building up strength in those bad positions in a safe way, so in the future when you're doing a lift with real weight and you come out the groove you don't break in half.
As you grow more experienced you will learn yourself what corrections you need to make to make your lifting more efficient (i.e. correct FORM) - that's a given and comes with the territory. I just cannot get over how many people I see wasting so much time on the little things when they are insignificant. As you start to get stronger they become significant, but for a novice, in my opinion, the most important thing is time spent LIFTING.
Lets say I want to enter a strongman competition. I have to lift a big rock up with a rounded back. Do I start off trying to lift the big one first? No. I start with the small one and progressively work up to the big one. We know lifting with a rounded back is opening yourself up to injury, so we train to be strong in that compromised position. Is it really such a hard concept to grasp?Doing the exercises wrongly can benefit you by progressively building up strength in those bad positions in a safe way
I have no experience with them so I'm not in any position to comment.Interesting read Ghosty.
What's your opinion on belts ?
I have no experience with them so I'm not in any position to comment.
Nick, if I wasn't injured and I could train for 1RM strength, and I added a measly 12.5kg to my deadlift, which would then bring me up to a 400lb deadlift, and put me in 200/300/400 club, how would ANYTHING I've written change? My views would still be the same.
something I'm curious about from ghosty..
your vid is of you doing 100kg for 20 reps at 58kg I think it was..
What is your 20 rep weight now and what do you weigh?
what was your bench max (or max weight for what ever rep range you train) when you were 58kg and what is it now at whatever you weigh?
My 1RM’s have only increased by a few kilo’s in the last few years because I have only been doing maintenance training.A lot of ifs there mate.
Your a determined bugger but It seems your currently injured and have been for a while and really haven't gained much strength over the last couple of years despite gaining some weight.
Maybe time to rethink if your approach is working that well.
From someone who is farking injury prone, I'd rather take a little extra time in getting the form right than pushing too hard with incorrect form and getting yet another injury. Injuries make me want to give up
There is a fair amount of roid rage going on in here
Youre assuming Mike has poor form.
Did you watch his videos?
But to dismiss Ghosty so easily because of Nicks lifts is foolish.
What if Ghosty was to say he can squat bodyweight for 50 reps
Overhead squat bodyweight for 10 reps
Do a Turkish get up with a 60kg BB
Nick has been just as injured as Mike has, Nick cant do any of those lifts I just listed, neither can I.
To simply look at a 110kg guys lifts against a 65kg guy and dismiss him as irrelevant is foolhardy.
Ghosty has military pressed bodyweight at PTC, Nick hasnt, Ghosty can for reps. Ghosty has done reps with double bodyweight squats.
Dont be so dismissive of Mike based on lifts, he is WAY stronger than you think.
If you dont believe me, try some of his lifts
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