Forgive me Sticky, but I'm getting a little bit confused with some of the comments made in this thread. Let me clarify what I'm talking about.
I see the comparison made between apples and oranges here with regard to some comments. I know and I'm also very familiar with the difference that is; a push, a jerk, and finally... a press. None of the three techniques would I place in the one and same category.
I'm not saying you (or anyone else here) is wrong, that's not what Iām about. What I am saying however is, are we not creating a bit of a confusion when we mix the terms, jerk, push, and press together?
Your clarification would be much appreciated Sticky. Thank you Sir.
Fadi.
How did the deadlifts 3x a week go? What is your squat:deadlift ratio and how long did it take to adapt? The reason I ask is that my deadlift is pretty high compared to my squat and when I was doing heavy sets of 5's and 3's it would often make me very tired for the next week, but is this something that I just need to push through and eventually I'll adapt to? I currently do speed pulls once a week just to maintain the groove and am using squats as my main deadlift builder but I think being able to do max pulls several times a week would be awesome
To get a big bench, you must bench, then do lots of rows. Not overhead work.
While you may get some carry over from doing overhead work, It wont be nearly as affective as benching.
Oni is planning to REPLACE benching with overhead work, to increase his bench press.......
At the level Oni is at, all he needs to do is eat and bench.
Ah, okay thanks so much for your clarification Sir.My bad.
I know its a different movment, but the point I was trying to get across was.... To get a big bench, you must bench, then do lots of rows. Not overhead work.
While you may get some carry over from doing overhead work, It wont be nearly as affective as benching.
Oni is planning to REPLACE benching with overhead work, to increase his bench press.......
At the level Oni is at, all he needs to do is eat and bench.
My bad.
I know its a different movment, but the point I was trying to get across was.... To get a big bench, you must bench, then do lots of rows. Not overhead work.
While you may get some carry over from doing overhead work, It wont be nearly as affective as benching.
Oni is planning to REPLACE benching with overhead work, to increase his bench press.......
At the level Oni is at, all he needs to do is eat and bench.
Deadlifts 3x a week worked awesome. My deadlift is heaps better than my squat and it didn't take that long to adapt to deadlifting more often. You do have the odd shit session but usually the next one is really good.
If overhead press had a direct carry over to bench press, then why I do bench press so much less then sticky (just an example). Who as far as I know OHP's around the same as me? I can give more examples.
No worries Fadi.
I would take spritchads advice over broz or pendaly anyday.
agreedI didn't say I wouldn't, but If you want to bench more, talk to a guy that benches 300kgin competion like Steve, not an oly coach.
My way of thinking.
Take bits of information that apply to you from all of them.
So much win in this thread.
Oni, I honestly think that the reason you never made great progress with any of those programs is because you never stuck to them or or applied yourself wholeheartedly.
And when your bench is as weak as yours then bench for bench. OH as a supplement but bench volume is key.
When Wendler said the best way to bench 400 was to press 300 I think it best applies to people who can at least bench 200-300...
I agree that there is a psychological part, but because people told me a beginner routine was best I tried my hardest with it. I often would miss lifts, so I don't think it's a case with "not trying hard enough" but the intermediate 5x5 routines are working great for me
the same subject came up in my training log a while back.My bad.
I know its a different movment, but the point I was trying to get across was.... To get a big bench, you must bench, then do lots of rows. Not overhead work.
While you may get some carry over from doing overhead work, It wont be nearly as affective as benching.
Oni is planning to REPLACE benching with overhead work, to increase his bench press.......
At the level Oni is at, all he needs to do is eat and bench.
5x5's are working well?
Well why not stick to it?
Your OP says your going to go ME every day on squats, and then deadlifts too......
Which is it?
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