I am far from qualified to provide meaningful comment, which is why I was disappointed when you derailed the otherwise good discussion that was going on as I was enjoying the meaningful back and forth.
For what its worth though, my opinion is that any technical movement, regardless of chosen equipment, is a poor choice if you are doing it for conditioning simply because there are equally effective options available that do not require the same level of proficiency and/or ability to maintain correct form in a fatigued state to avoid injury.
As for others responses, read back over the thread.
First point of difference for me is that kettlebell cleans & jerk and kettlebell snatches are cyclical and specifically evolved for high rep and timed sets for kettlebell sport.
When the kettlebell variants are done right, each rep will flow into the next, as the return to the starting point of the movement will immediately carry over into the start of the next repetition.
The barbell variants to me have a vary definite stop at the completion of the movement. Each repetition will be completed from start to finish independently from the previous.
Although all they share a common name (snatch/jerk) they are very different beasts.
In short.
High repetition for kettlebell snatch / clean and jerk = Yes.
dumbbell and barbell variants = No
This can come down to a matter of opinion now, and as I said earlier, you would need a study to confirm your opinion...
Your kettlebells snatches are like a 1 arm kettlebell swing then?
You could almost argue that the barbell movement would be safer as its not going between your legs backwards while you are trying to stop the momentum with one arm. The position of the hip closing and knee closing would put a lot of load on the lower back, add to that the slight twist of the load being in one hand only...does this sound safe?
Vs, say this...
Warning, clip contains high intensity Olympic lifting, pants wetting and some occasional death..
My reason why for what exactly? Safe or effective?
You could almost argue that the barbell movement would be safer as its not going between your legs backwards while you are trying to stop the momentum with one arm. The position of the hip closing and knee closing would put a lot of load on the lower back, add to that the slight twist of the load being in one hand only...does this sound safe?
Vs, say this...
Warning, clip contains high intensity Olympic lifting, pants wetting and some occasional death..
and here I was waiting for a revelation as to why anyone would intentionally choose olympic lifts for conditioning (apart from mixing it up).... lol
hold on, you mentioned 5/6/7 pages.. i only see 3... you haven't set your posts per page to max yet have you?
So to confirm, are these guys saying crossfit style high oly rep workouts are good for fitness, good for crossfit fitness but not other fitness, or a waste of time? It would be interesting to get unbiased thoughts from CF elite on the nature of CF workouts in general.
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