You did quote zatsiorsky but I don't recall seeing a page ref - can you pls provide it? I might re-read that section in its entire context.
nevertheless, I still think you are comparing apples and oranges. What are you discussing here - the training methods of elite lifters who are near their genetic potential, or up and commers such as yourself and themost effective/efficient way to reach the elite level?
Rippetoe's article, which I thought was the basis of the thread, is discussing elite lifters. To be an elite lifterr, I assume one would be already near their absolute strength potential - surely within 80 to 90 per cent pls correct me if I am wrong.
no offence, but I don't think you are in that category yet, so I don't know why you keep using your personaal situation in your examples.
thanks for the page ref - i'll have a read later tonight.
(btw, I like your new avatar)
Ha! that's wicked news. prolly make you eat some food alsoI've actually been in contact with Coach Wu in Singapore and should be going over for a month to train under him as my yearly holiday. He mentioned that I'll be mainly doing squats, push presses, heavy pulling and a shitload of bar work as I am a "weak englishman"!!
Ha! that's wicked news. prolly make you eat some food also
Ha! that's wicked news. prolly make you eat some food also
so you're saying that if Perepetchenov increased his deadlift by 60 to 135kg... he'd increase his snatch by 0 to 5kg..Mendes: 350 kg deadlift for reps, 175 kg snatch.
Henry: 425 kg deadlift, 180 kg snatch.
Perepetchenov: 290kg deadlift, 320kg squat, 175 kg snatch
is that 460 raw dead record with PEDS, or drug free? (wow the dude weighs 170kg! must be good genetics..)Well when we look at it
250 c and J is 94% of all time world record
415 dead is 90% of the raw dead record.
looking at both lifts relatively the deadlift is actually the poorer ( or pathetic as you say) lift. The C and J is the better relative lift.
is that 460 raw dead record with PEDS, or drug free? (wow the dude weighs 170kg! must be good genetics..)
what is the drug free raw deadlift world record? (or is there no such thing?)
so you're saying that if Perepetchenov increased his deadlift by 60 to 135kg... he'd increase his snatch by 0 to 5kg..
i can see the carryover LOL
is that 460 raw dead record with PEDS, or drug free? (wow the dude weighs 170kg! must be good genetics..)
what is the drug free raw deadlift world record? (or is there no such thing?)
well, no more than all the other american athletes these daysLol. There is drug tested doesn't mean it's drug free. Don't for one second believe the o lifters a drug free. Lol.
I don't see why I need to do my homework
My point is that Olympic lifters often could often do with more strength work in their programs. Starr has done this from day 1 and the posts you quote explicitly mention him doing lots of squats and presses to build the olympic lifts
Powerbuilder what the hell are you rambling on about now?
No. It states that Starr and everybody else were doing the Olympic lifts in training. Front squats over back.
And the reason for the Presses? They were an Olympic lift back then.
So not only didn't you do you're homework, but you never read it correctly either.
well, no more than all the other american athletes these days
up until '75 it was a free-for-all, but how many of those records still stand today?
now being tested means they can't use them as much as powerlifters can.
shall we call them "relatively drug free" ?
or maybe just "easily detectable drug free".... or "cheap detectable drug free"...
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