chocchillimango
Well-known member
I stand corrected and concede your point.
but Bazz, there was no need to be so nasty before. we're all just trying to help each other out here, right?
You are wrong, grass feed is very common in Australia organic or not. You are way outside your area of expertise here.
I stand corrected and concede your point.
but Bazz, there was no need to be so nasty before. we're all just trying to help each other out here, right?
Sorry not meaning to be nasty. Just passionate about this and it may have come across that way. The organic thing always pisses me off because the basis of there marketing is that organic is somehow better for the animals, land and the product is better than conventional grown food when there is no reason why it would be and no evidence of it. And now organic is trying to attach itself to grassfed.
The whole gassfed thing can be very misleading as well. It is not just as simple as grass = good, grains = bad, especially not from an animal health point of view. There are many situations were grass can kill animals.
Hmm, interesting. You learn something new every day-and-a-half.
VA [vaccenic acid] is the only known dietary precursor of c9,t11 conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), but recent data suggest that consumption of this trans fat may impart health benefits beyond those associated with CLA.
not all of them are. But you're frankly better off having a little fresh real butter than a margarine made from sunflower oil in the interest of long term health.
for body recomp, it doesn't matter at all.
Sorry not meaning to be nasty. Just passionate about this and it may have come across that way. The organic thing always pisses me off because the basis of there marketing is that organic is somehow better for the animals, land and the product is better than conventional grown food when there is no reason why it would be and no evidence of it. And now organic is trying to attach itself to grassfed.
The whole gassfed thing can be very misleading as well. It is not just as simple as grass = good, grains = bad, especially not from an animal health point of view. There are many situations were grass can kill animals.
Actually the cows are kept happy... Distressed cows lowers the quality of the meat..
True story!
Actually Bazza, YOU are WRONG. Most commercial meat in Australia (and the rest of the western world) is not 100% grass fed. Most cows are grass fed for the majority of their life and then switch to grain feeding for the last 60-90 days before slaughter - that is not true grass fed. In fact I can find only two grass fed suppliers in all of Victoria (and they are both biodynamic farmers).
You are also dead wrong about it not being clear that grass is healthier for ruminant animals than grain. You clearly have not read any of the clinical studies on the subject. First of all, its just plain common sense, ruminant animals eat grass in the wild - not grain. Secondly, clinical investigation has proven that grass fed beef have a healthier fatty acid composition, such as -
-Omega 3s in beef that feed on grass is 7% of the total fat content, compared to 1% in grain-only fed beef.
- if the ratio of omega 6 fats to omega 3 fats exceeds 4:1, people have more health problems. This is especially meaningful since grain-fed beef can have ratios that exceed 20:1 whereby grass-fed beef is down around 3:1.
-Grass-fed beef is loaded with other natural minerals and vitamins, plus it's a great source of CLA (conjugated linoleic acid) a fat that reduces the risk of cancer, obesity, diabetes, and a number of immune disorders. In fact, grass fed meat can have 3 to 5 times as much CLA as grain fed meat.
Clinical studies reflect these facts, for example -
-North Dakota State University conducted a study on the nutritional differences between grass-fed and grain-fed bison. The results of that study closely followed that of the egg studies. The grass-fed bison had omega 6 to omega 3 ratios of 4.0 to one, and the grain-fed bison had ratios of 21 to one.
-One study, published in J Anim Sci 2000 Nov;78(11):2849-55 came to this conclusion -
"The concentration of polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFA) in fat was higher (P < .05) for steers offered ration 5 than for those given any other ration. Decreasing the proportion of concentrate in the diet, which effectively increased grass intake, caused a linear decrease in the concentration of saturated fatty acids (SFA) (P < .01) and in the n-6:n-3 PUFA ratio (P < .001) and a linear increase in the PUFA:SFA ratio (P < .01) and the conjugated linoleic acid concentration (P < .001). The data indicate that i.m. fatty acid composition of beef can be improved from a human health perspective by inclusion of grass in the diet.
-another study published in J Anim Sci 1996 Mar;74(3):625-38 had this to say -
" Final BW and carcass characteristics in all cattle were improved by full season grazing followed by feeding corn silage, compared with cattle finished with grain on pasture"
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Brown cows put out choc milk, white cows put out normal milk
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