Cheers. I take it that by failure you mean - unassisted failure. If so, what are your thoughts on the following:
- do you think it's worthwhile going beyond unassisted failure?
- if so, on each set to failure, or say once per muscle group per week?
Plenty of muscle has been built by people that didn't train to failure so that would make you think it's not necessary for muscle growth.
What's optimal? I'm not sure.
Cheers. I take it that by failure you mean - unassisted failure. If so, what are your thoughts on the following:
- do you think it's worthwhile going beyond unassisted failure?
- if so, on each set to failure, or say once per muscle group per week?
Failure;
It's controversial, there is no evidence to support either, there is no way of measuring the point where muscle receives the right amount of stimulus to grow, in a set of 1 to 10, 10 being the point where you can no longer lift, is the 8th rep?, is it the 9th?
Going to the point of failure ensures you have done everything possible to permit growth, to stimulate growth.
There is one group that says training to failure, teaches failure.
if training your athletes to muscular failure is teaching them to fail then perhaps stopping your athletes short of muscle fatigue is teaching them to quit.
Time under tension is a method of performing reps under time rather than counting reps, most trainees can perform an exercise in 90 seconds using a 2/4 second cadence.
If you stop short of 90, the weight is too heavy, if you can perform the exercise past 90, it's too light, and weight needs to be added.
my opinion, no need to go to failure often. I use occasional set to failure not only to tax system 100%, but to set my maximum to know what percentage to train from.
So many variables in training to create overload - speed of movement, rest between sets, number of sets and reps and so on.
I can do a session of 4x8 on 60% of my max with a short rest period and be absolutely stuffed. I find this sort of work, which suits my makeup and mentality, works for best for me.
Remember 60% of maximum is actually heavier than you think because form of movement is so much stricter for me on lighter weights. On a heavier weight or set, I will do whatever I can to set a new pb, or in my older age, get the possible number of max reps. On the lighter weights, much greater focus on muscle I seek to work. In other words, if the form on light weights was as loose as max weight or set, then the percentage I trained on would be much higher.
This question has tremendous importance based on which type of sport one is engaged in. Is it bodybuilding, where the main focus is on the increase of muscle mass, or is it on a strength/power based sport such as Olympic weightlifting and/or powerlifting?Do you train to failure on every set, or just the last set of an exercise?
However when it comes to the other two sports mentioned above, training to failure would limit the gaining of strength due to the constant reinforcement of slow firing of the nerve signals that would allow one explosive speed and maximum strength.
Fadi.
Not every set, not even every workout! Following a few different programs over the years, they seem to work up to it, rather than every time i train.
Agreed mate. Have only just recently realised that crawling out of the gym after every session is not necessarily a good thing
Have now begun experimenting with cycling intensities etc.. and listening to the body more.
Besides, it's no fun when everyone is taking the piss out of you every week for walking like an old kunce after every leg workout
You are talking about two different things, you do not have to go to failure to completely destroy yourself for days after a workout.
I often crawl out of the gym, sometimes I lie on the floor on my back waiting for the room to stop spinning and my muscles to stop shaking yet I never went anywhere near my max lift or failure.
wtf were you doing in there then to illicit such a strong response?
Sniffing the ladies toilet seats?
You are talking about two different things, you do not have to go to failure to completely destroy yourself for days after a workout.
I often crawl out of the gym, sometimes I lie on the floor on my back waiting for the room to stop spinning and my muscles to stop shaking yet I never went anywhere near my max lift or failure.
I like the way you've explained it Big Man.Interesting, I am guessing this is the scientific way of explaining what I called practicing to fail, constantly going to failure sets you up for failure, as your muscles are getting trained to fail.
I also believe that there is physiological reinforcement as well, where your brain/mind gets used to not completing the lift, and you getting used to and accepting the fact that it is OK not to complete a lift.
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