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First it's not my study. Take your problems up with the authors. I'm sure they will appreciate your scientific expertise.

Second. Actually read the part you quoted.

Most Dietary Supplements were not associated with mortality. ( that's fine)

HOWEVER several commonly used VITAMIN and MINERAL supplements where related to INCREASED total mortality rate.

3rd. It's not meant to be a definitive study. Even the authors acknowledge the limitations because its an observational study. But it is very thorough with its long duration follow up.

There are others out there but I can't be fucked finding them for you to butcher them with your incompetence. Find them yourself.

And I'll repeat it. Any problems you have with the study take it up with the authors. It's not my study.

I'm not rushing out to take vitamins unless I have a diagnosed deficiency.
 
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Read my posts. I made no such claims.
 
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This is fantastic icantbefuckedtraininghardsoifindbullshitstudiestojustifymylaziness-science
 
This is fantastic icantbefuckedtraininghardsoifindbullshitstudiestojustifymylaziness-science


That's your choice if you don't want to train hard. Not my cup of tea but each to their own.

What's it have to do with vitamins anyway.
 
I've virtually given up on vitamins.
Don't take fish oil any more, a multi barely once or twice per week just to finish bottle.
I don't feel any different.
 
I've virtually given up on vitamins.
Don't take fish oil any more, a multi barely once or twice per week just to finish bottle.
I don't feel any different.

The jury is still out thee for me as well. If I don't take them for a week or so can't really tell a difference.

Have not had shakes for about 2-3 months (may be the odd one, probably less than 3 a week anyway) and made no difference to be honest.

I have a carp load of protein powder here, probably 6-7kg, about 1.5kg of BN creatine, and about three months worth of vitamins.

I might just take it starting next year with a few shakes a day AM and PM Vitamins, and 10-20 grams of creatine per day, till it's all burned up, then go 6 months without any of it and see if it made a difference in my mind.

At least it will get rid of it then.
 
Yeah hood point.
I have been trying to get more fats from fish, nuts and avocado lately since I stopped supplementation.


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Take what ever vitamin you are deficient in. If you are not deficient you are just pissing your cash down the drain.

Yeah, I know that for "normal" people, vitamin supplements are just a waste of time and money, and could potentially even be harmful if taken in the wrong doses. I've seen quite a few documentaries about the vitamin fad of the last few decades.

But I did read here (and somewhere else on the same site) that bodybuilders in particular have much higher vitamin requirements in order to produce new muscles and recover from workouts effectively. Having said that, the website does sell vitamins, so I guess there is a pretty strong conflict of interest there.

I know this is extremely poor scientific reasoning, however ever since I've been taking a B multi and 1g C daily, I haven't actually had the cold or flu. That's over a year I've been virus-free, whereas I usually get sick at least once or twice a year - sometimes more.

And being a pretty damn hard gainer, and in the last legs of my 20's, I figured a few dollars here or there didn't really make much difference considering what was at stake.
 
Vitamin c does nothing unless you are deficient. I havnt been sick on twelve months and i dont tske vitamin c.

There is no pathway that allows excess vitamin c to act on cold or flu viruses.
 
Vitamin c does nothing unless you are deficient. I havnt been sick on twelve months and i dont tske vitamin c.

There is no pathway that allows excess vitamin c to act on cold or flu viruses.

Along with giving your self a magnesium deficiency

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I've taken an *antioxidant mix for the last twenty years after reading Dr Kenneth Coopers books.

I've taken myself off and on, I notice a difference when I do.

In the last 20 years my job and family life had been extremely stressful and time consuming, juggling that with weight training was a challenge.

At the moment I feel and look like a 40yo.

*Vit E
Carotene
Vit C
Selenium
Q10
Krill
Niacin
 
You can never have enough B complex really.
Soviet throwers saw a massive improvement from B6/12 injections, almost as much as steroids gave them
 
You can never have enough B complex really.
Soviet throwers saw a massive improvement from B6/12 injections, almost as much as steroids gave them



B6 and B12 = Steroids???
 
Can't find the source, but mike T talked about it on his forums
How you can constantly close the gap between steroids and natural, he was talking to a soviet coach and said that injectable B gave them X amount and steroids gave them Y amount etc

They are a very important set of vitamins for sure
 
Oni, you need to separate fact from fiction when you read stuff.

There is no equivalent to steroids in terms of benefit. B-12, don't make me laugh.

where is the link?