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A sister's top tips for weight management

F**king strong pain killers bro........... LMFAO
 
Then there is idiots like this 'educating' people - [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9SFRjf2Vuo&feature=feedu]Carbs at Night - YouTube[/ame]
 
Yeah it's sort of ridiculous how complicated people make shedding some body fat.

It's not really.

Eat less. Train more. Eat well.

You can do it gradually, or my personal preference is to start the first 2 weeks out pretty fierce (as i'm sure i've mentioned before). But if your diet is sold year round, you won't need to cut harshly. The key to it is; don't gain so much body fat in your "bulk/off season" whatever you want to call it. The worst is yo-yo dieting. Naturally there are going to be periods where you're more lax, but don't have 6 months of perfect, and 6 months of absolute non sense which i've seen time and time again.

First 2 weeks for me are lean proteins (tuna, eggs, chicken, beef, salmon et al.) with lean greens, a little fruit and health fats (nuts/oils). This is a psychological kick start, which to be honest - psychology is a strong component of health and fitness. I'll gradually incorporate a few more CHO into the mix as I go along and reach my desired BF %age. First two weeks are generally 1000-1500 calories under maintenance daily, then i'll taper off to 500 calories under maintenance and slow it up. It may or may not work for some people. I lose very little muscle mass in these first to weeks of heavy cutting. That's another thing that's over exaggerated. You won't lose 8kg of muscle mass if you temporarily cut calories this harsh for a few weeks. That's all in your head. You'll lose mass quicker if your; diet is shit, your training is shit, your sleep is shit. (The only ones who need to be real cautious are extreme ecto's who struggle gaining and retaining mass)..

When I tell people this, they ask: so are starches and carbs bad and make you fat? I tell them, no. Just because something is temporarily reduced from ones diet does not make it bad or unimportant. For me, when restricting calories it comes down to a hierarchy of needs and importance; which are protein/fats, CHO comes in third which is why I reduce my calories from this macro. Not because it's the devil. The devil is over consumption, and this ridiculous notion that to gain lean body mass, you need to eat 8 meals a day and 6000 calories. You get fat mass that way, there's a reason it's called lean body mass. Unless you're on anabolics, most people tend to over exaggerate just how much lean body mass they're going to gain over a short period (4-8 weeks). No, it's not 8kg. That's for sure.
 
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Then there is idiots like this 'educating' people - Carbs at Night - YouTube
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just in case anybody isnt allowed to watch youtube from there mothers i have summarised dat dere vid for your ease of reading..sum gr8 stuff enjoy your beta alanine broz!!

"Da muscle is in stress big time!!!...it has been destroyed!!!!..i repeat myself.... you is injuring yourself everytime you go to dat dere gym...dat way it counters the next workout..but late night metabolism slows down and you get fat! Yes we are programmed at dat der night to store fat..its really simple genetics! Even if you diet like CRAZY take dat dere 40g of dextrose!! dont you dare eat that rice of bread or that other there slow carb of yours coz it take an hour...dont take dat dere jack3D coz it make breathing efficient ..unfortunately...dont mess it kick you...it a friiiiiken chemical..even cocain and heroin do dat dere live in nature..you tell me process no no no!! dont do stuff that stretch blood vessels like dat..like dat heomrage not let friiiiken sleep 18 days...BBBBBBBBBSSSSSS dont bleve dem labels dat say dis is well anabolic...BBBBSSSSS....nuh uhhhhhh ANABOLISM isnt triggered by pre workout nuh uhhh what are you dere finkin dat for??? pre workout for focus n nergy..beta alanine not da placebo effect coz it make me throw up ...therefore must work ...so potent it EXPlodeS!!!!! or NO explode do dat shit it not strongest but dont do dat der jacked...amped all night long...ye bro!! do dat..."
 
I didnt think it was as bad as you guys think...

Its directed at idiots. So its written in their language.

No one from the general population gives a fuck about IF or resistance training...

A few things were wacko but it is the best of the bad bunch that i have seen lately.

Alot of the diet infomation regarding sugar is from a phsycological aspect. Regardless of what people here think the average person has no idea what a calorie is how it works or how much sugar they can simply eat without the brain switching off.

ScienceDirect - Neuroscience : Daily bingeing on sugar repeatedly releases dopamine in the accumbens shell

Most obese people are that addicted to sugar they are like cocaine addicts. I think lowering a mostly useless filler additive is a good thing in a normal persons diet.

We have to remember life is not so black and white, our goals are not their goals their goals are not ours... People dont want to be educated, they need to be told... and even if you tell them half the time they dont listen.

I dont know if this is the right link im on my phone
 


totally with you on the sugar thing it is total junk and yes it does make a lot of people fat...so you are right there..still to me doesnt justify saying a bunch of things claiming its backed by science when its not..
 
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totally with you on the sugar thing it is total junk and yes it does make a lot of people fat...so you are right there..still to me doesnt justify saying a bunch of things claiming its backed by science when its not..
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Yes but its hard when people telling you these things are "the experts"...

I have heard some crazy shit from dietitians, dr's lectuers...

Its like the world has gone mad, the average person has no chance to analyse everything... they dont even know how to.

No one knows who to trust or what to believe because everyone has the latest and greatest secret to this or that...
 

that is true...if somebody claims to be an expert tho they should be able to show reputable studies which prove their theories. Obviously this is still not 100% but it is as close as we are ever going to get. that is why i have been impressed with people like maxbrenner so far as he uses articles (not of the highest order but evidence nonetheless) to back his claims. If everybody did that i think at least half the crap going around now wouldnt be anymore. Of course that is really hard to implement on a forum like this.
 

Its also hard to do in a field such as ours...

The studies that need to be done simply wont be done..

1. no one cares
2. it isnt financially viable / no profit will come from it.

We still cant and wont ever throw out Anecdotal evidence... Want to try bent rows in stead of lat pull down? No study.. Try it evaluate done...

Although its easier to gauge results with training as opposed to "dieting".
 

thats only because i havnt finished my exercise science degree yet

as for the bent rows v's lat pull down i have seen a bunch of studies on muscle recruitment for a number of different exercises. but yes i get your point.

and your right nutrition is the biggest joke...thats the only reason i went exercise science with some nutrition instead of nutrition with some exercise. by the end of it all i would know is bs. We were constructing diets for people using the "healthy eating pyramid." first you calculate carb needs which is like 70% then protein needs which apparently is 0.8g/kg for everyone (any more than this apparently will only be stored as fat or coverted to glucose) and the rest was fat. anyways...
 
Anecdotal evidence is cause for most scientific studies to be done.

Without it most subjects would never be looked at.

It can not completely discounted, but it should not be the be all and end all in any debates or subjects.
 
hahahaha dave. Thanks mate

Like with most people and subjects, I'll listen and take on board what they have to say but it doesn't mean I will or won't agree 100%. If I've overlooked a point or misunderstood a form of research etc and it can be explained to me as it is meant to well that is great

As Christian mention, I've heard so much shit come out of mainstream nutritionists etc it is no wonder why there is such a large mis-conception of the basics little lone more complex situations.

God I don't agree 100% with Lyle or Martin for that matter but it is typically on minor details!

But for the most part the literature or information that credible people like Lyle, Alan, Martin and Emma-Leigh have produced has all been done with a number of credible studies/research backing it up. Plus my inquisitive nature gets the better of me so I typically read the research for myself, even if I have a tough time comprehending it at first
 
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