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D aspartic acid question

nazzysmith

nazzysmith

kuncesmith
Digging around on D Aspartic acid and found this stuff...

It appears that there is a clinical trial indicating a 33% elevation in Testosterone... What do you guys think of this?

Are there side effects to taking 3 grams daily of aspartic acid????


"Supplementation with 3 grams (3,000mgs) per day, orally, resulted in a 33% testosterone elevation. The amount of DAA in Muscle Warfare’s product is less than 35 milligrams, or, roughly 1/100th of the effective dose. TST PowerCell is another supplement that contains this ingredient, this time at less than 600mgs/capsule,
roughly 1/5th of an effective dose."

D-Aspartic Acid: Fail | SteroidTimes.com


This is the link to the clinical study...

RB&E | Full text | The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in human and rats

Concerning the LH pattern, the results demonstrated that after 12 days of D-Asp treatment, 20 out of 23 (87%) participants had significantly increased concentrations of LH in their blood with respect to basal values (the value of LH found in the same subjects before starting treatment). Statistical analysis demonstrated that the value (mean ± SEM) of serum calculated for all the 23 subjects treated with D-Asp increased by 33.3%.
 
Buy it from one of the site sponsors in bulk champ, much more bang for ya buck if you want to give it a crack.
 
nazzysmith said:
Are there side effects to taking 3 grams daily of aspartic acid????
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I found this article very informative on shedding some light and raising some questions about DAA MuscleMag: D-Aspartic Acid

My anecdotal view is the stuff is great, I am using it for the second time now and plan to have a break in a few months and then start again with blood work done before, during and after to see how it affects me.

You can't go wrong with BN's D ASPARTIC ACID - 100G I cap mine up and take 3g a day.
 
I came across an article today indicaing some issues with dissolvability...

Something about having calcium chealate with D aspartic acid to improve digestion???? Anyone come across this????

Incidently... Sorry mods for posting this in the wrong forum... Thanks for moving it :p
 
Ok this sums up what ive read...

I get the niggling feeling that ive heard this tune before?????? Sounds like creatine and the supposed benefits of delivery systems that were spruiked many times over... When there is nothing wrong with plain old creatine monohydrate....

Me thinks sneaky supplement companies trying to steal our dough again... Anyone like to comment on this Calcium Chelate thingy...


D-Aspartic Acid Calcium Chelate

To get the most benefit from D-aspartic acid you must use a form that is highly soluble and bioavailable. Unfortunately, straight D-aspartic acid has terrible water solubility (less than 1 gram will dissolve in 220 milliliters of water). This means that it basically sits in your digestive tract as a gritty powder and absorbs very slowly and erractically. Furthermore, at higher dosages this powder can cause digestive disturbances in susceptible individuals.

Fortunately I found out how to solve the d-aspartic acid solubility problem. What I did was make what is known as a calcium chelate of the amino acid. What that achieved was increasing the water solubility from less than 1 gram/200 milliliters to practically limitless. It was quite a remarkable achievement. What is also remarkable about this chelate is that it happens to be stable over a very wide pH range. Once converted to this calcium chelate the amino acid became much more user friendly, as well as more quickly absorbable, and quite possibly more bioavailable. In addition to that, you get a healthy dose of highly bioavailable calcium with each dose.
 
Ok some more on this...

I see evidence to suggest that taking an aromatose inhibitor while using DAA could be benificial...

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Dange...tosterone-Safely-With-This-Secret!&id=4632468

I also note that BN sells DIM which looks to balance estrogen levels... Im not sure as to whether this is the same thing as an aromatase inhibitor and what the likely effects would be...

The thing other thing with DIM is that you can just add a dailly dose of broccolli and brussel sprouts to your diet and it would do the same thing.... Right?????
 
No, the DIM is of a higher extraction.
Personally I would go for a stronger AI like ATD or 6 Bromo
 
Cheers Shrek...

I note nobody reporting serious sides like gyno from using DAA... And it should be noted that DAA's test boosting abilities have been spruiked for several years now with plenty of users....

So I would expect that the reason for taking an AI here is not to stop serious side effects..... Rather its more to maximise the potential test boosting effects of the DAA... Which may or may not be limited...

On face value the human trial appears quite compelling... However I saw one tool on you tube comparing their DAA product to dianabol and winstrol....
 
Shrek said:
Why bother capping, just chug it down with water? ;)
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Mainly because I split it over 3x per day so I just take the caps with me to work etc. But yes, chasing it down with a gulp of water would work just as well.
 
Here's my blood results after 4 weeks of 5g a day. I abstained for 2 weeks before getting the test. No before test though, sorry!

Total Test Serum: 876
FSH: 2.1
LH: 4.1
Estradiol: 22.3
ALT: 26
AST: 38

I didn't bother capping. I just mixed it in with my morning coffee along with every other of my supplements
 
nazzysmith said:
Ok some more on this...

I see evidence to suggest that taking an aromatose inhibitor while using DAA could be benificial...

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Dange...tosterone-Safely-With-This-Secret!&id=4632468

I also note that BN sells DIM which looks to balance estrogen levels... Im not sure as to whether this is the same thing as an aromatase inhibitor and what the likely effects would be...

The thing other thing with DIM is that you can just add a dailly dose of broccolli and brussel sprouts to your diet and it would do the same thing.... Right?????
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I wouldn't look too much into this article. Its quite obvious who wrote that article, what their agenda is and who they work for.
You don't need to take an AI with DAA. From most bloods I've seen, the increase in estrogen has been minimal at best. Remember you need estrogen to build mass, its all about test to estrogen ratio.
 
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Would it make any sence to make a supplement that blocked estregen with D-Aspartic Acid added to it, would this combo further improve Test levels ?
 
Aek said:
Would it make any sence to make a supplement that blocked estregen with D-Aspartic Acid added to it, would this combo further improve Test levels ?
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Quite possibly, but as Carrhart has mentioned some levels of estrogen are actually necessary and beneficial to muscle growth.
There is absolutely no point trying to reduce estrogen to zero, the effect of minimising it somewhat is that the body will respond by making more testosterone.

I don't think an estrogen inhibitor is necessary for most people using D Aspartic Acid, no doubt the concerns came from select users who are very estrogen sensitive. Keep in mind that many people get estrogen sides anyway (think of teenagers with puffy nipples) so for these people anything which elevates any hormonal action will cause some side effects.

The article about combining D Aspartic Acid with another compound is a bit of a laugh too, lack of water solubility does not mean a lack of absorption and if anything prolonging this (as the article states may be an issue with non soluble D Aspartic Acid would only be a positive given twice a day dosage would be typical for most people.
 
Bioflex said:
Quite possibly, but as Carrhart has mentioned some levels of estrogen are actually necessary and beneficial to muscle growth.
There is absolutely no point trying to reduce estrogen to zero, the effect of minimising it somewhat is that the body will respond by making more testosterone.

I don't think an estrogen inhibitor is necessary for most people using D Aspartic Acid, no doubt the concerns came from select users who are very estrogen sensitive. Keep in mind that many people get estrogen sides anyway (think of teenagers with puffy nipples) so for these people anything which elevates any hormonal action will cause some side effects.
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This. Estrogen is not the she-devil as typically promoted -

Difference in skeletal muscle function in males vs. females: role of estrogen receptor-?

In conclusion, male muscles are generally faster and have a higher maximum power output than female muscles. On the other hand, female muscles are generally more fatigue resistant and recover faster and show less mechanical damage after exercise. Intriguingly, skeletal muscles of ER-deficient males combine the advantages of male and female muscles; that is, they perform better during fatigue and recovery but are still as fast. Thus treatment with ERantagonists might improve muscle performance in severe muscle disorders affecting males. However, ER exerts important functions in, for instance, the central nervous system and the prostate gland (13, 38), which would limit the usefulness of ER antagonists.

Test levels and free test levels are the only thing worth worrying about. Estrogen is of no/low concern IMO.
 
Sorry to bring up an old thread, am looking into buying some daa, so you're suggesting that I should get the normal one instead of paying a premium for the calcium chelate one?
 
0ni said:
Here's my blood results after 4 weeks of 5g a day. I abstained for 2 weeks before getting the test. No before test though, sorry!

Total Test Serum: 876
FSH: 2.1
LH: 4.1
Estradiol: 22.3
ALT: 26
AST: 38

I didn't bother capping. I just mixed it in with my morning coffee along with every other of my supplements
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Have you got the "before results" for us Poni. Dude on another forum did tests before and after using DIM and DAA and his Test was out of range.

carhartt said:
I wouldn't look too much into this article. Its quite obvious who wrote that article, what their agenda is and who they work for.
You don't need to take an AI with DAA. From most bloods I've seen, the increase in estrogen has been minimal at best. Remember you need estrogen to build mass, its all about test to estrogen ratio.
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The point of the AI is mainly to stimulate further Test production due to the negative feedback loop. Once your body senses low E it will produce more T for conversion to E. But there is concern that long term use of DAA might cause higher E.
 
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