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Injectable B-Complex Log

spartacus said:
Oni, how can you say you will notice anything if you are taking powerful hormones as well.

b-6, b-12, what a load of overrated bs.
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nothing has changed with anything else
I have sent you a pm every time I made a change lol, like you asked
 
yes, but you cannot make judgments about a supplement when the effects of another drug is occurring.

You would have to take b-12, or whatever, on its own, many months after the other drug no longer as any effect.

That is what is wrong with most claims made by drug users; they take so many they would not have a clue what is working and what does not.

BTW, if you are going to post our PMs, it was you who wrote to me first. I just said keep me posted as I am eager to know what effects you will get from your test after you denied any use of test for most of 2013. I also said I would prefer you lifted in PA, clean.
 
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I might try it with oral B vitamins, would be interesting as i am not on anything else, except all the equipment i use, it's like cheating really.
 
spartacus said:
yes, but you cannot make judgments about a supplement when the effects of another drug is occurring.

You would have to take b-12, or whatever, on its own, many months after the other drug no longer as any effect.

That is what is wrong with most claims made by drug users; they take so many they would not have a clue what is working and what does not.

BTW, if you are going to post our PMs, it was you who wrote to me. I just said keep me posted as I am eager to know what effects you will get from your test after you denied any use of test for most of 2013. I also said I would prefer you lifted in PA, clean.
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Where did I post our PMs?
Lol, just so happens I notice these changes just as I start the B-complex. Must be the small amount of testosterone I've been on for a while now though right? By that logic is wouldn't work with women, oh wait there are studies done on women as well.

Saying that b-complex doesn't work is like saying magnesium supplementation doesn't work, or eating doesn't work
[MENTION=3352]lkt004[/MENTION]; get the sublingual one
 
it may work, if there is a deficiency, as silverback suggests.

It may also work if extra is taken, as you suggest with test, but I doubt it.

But, you can only know 100%, if taken alone. Well that would be the start of the search for any effects of the B-12.

What are you expecting in terms of performance from b-12?

I used to see guys jabbing themselves with B-12 and swearing by it. Same guy used to swallow dianabol like it was candy.
 
spartacus said:
it may work, if there is a deficiency, as silverback suggests.

It may also work if extra is taken, as you suggest with test, but I doubt it.

But, you can only know 100%, if taken alone. Well that would be the start of the search for any effects of the B-12.

What are you expecting in terms of performance from b-12?

I used to see guys jabbing themselves with B-12 and swearing by it. Same guy used to swallow dianabol like it was candy.
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Nobody knows what a deficiency in B-vitamins actually as
Does testosterone only work if you have a deficiency?

Your anecdote about the guy that ate dbol means nothing. So what he swore by it. What has that got to do with anything? There are legitimate medical studies that I linked that show performance enhancement with injectable b-vitamins
 
spartacus said:
it may work, if there is a deficiency, as silverback suggests.

It may also work if extra is taken, as you suggest with test, but I doubt it.

But, you can only know 100%, if taken alone. Well that would be the start of the search for any effects of the B-12.

What are you expecting in terms of performance from b-12?

I used to see guys jabbing themselves with B-12 and swearing by it. Same guy used to swallow dianabol like it was candy.
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You can't know 100% if taken alone.
Conformation bias, placebo effect, what is Oni measuring before and after to determine if its working, is it even being recorded or just going on memory. There is a reason no research is done with only one person.
 
0ni said:
Nobody knows what a deficiency in B-vitamins actually as

Does testosterone only work if you have a deficiency?



Your anecdote about the guy that ate dbol means nothing. So what he swore by it. What has that got to do with anything? There are legitimate medical studies that I linked that show performance enhancement with injectable b-vitamins
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Did you get your b levels tested before.

Steroids are not vitamins.

Your anecdote about vitamin b means nothing.
 
Spartacus, I'd like to see the evidence to support your hypothesis that injectable b-vitamins don't increase performance in athletes with their b-vitamins already in the "normal" range
 
I have no evidence, I don't even say it cant work. My hunch, however, is it will offer little benefit (at best).

I just feel your own observations will mean little given other drugs are at play.

You are yet to document your progress on test, how long you have been on, has your strength kept improving or plateaued, and so on.

You cant just then go on something new and make new claims about improvement.

Bazza is right about a proper study. However, would still be interested in one man's story, assuming it was told right.

BTW, what are your predictions for lifts based on training given test use? You must have some idea now.
 
Nevermind than Spartacus, I thought you had something legitmate to bring to this discussion
 
perhaps no, I have limited thoughts, merely try to offer something.

We all have different abilities, but please, don't rub it in.
 
spartacus said:
perhaps no, I have limited thoughts, merely try to offer something.

We all have different abilities, but please, don't rub it in.
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You just annoy me because you'll spout a load of stuff that just is not true. Like "You are yet to document your progress on test, how long you have been on, has your strength kept improving or plateaued, and so on." when I keep a log for my training and my diet on this site lol. The drugs isn't changing, so there is no need to update on it. When it did change, I posted this thread up. What more do you want me to do? PM you on the status of my morning wood?
 
Genics said:
My morning wood has been shit, infact i find on gear morning wood doesnt happen as much
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Mine is crazy at the moment
I'll wake up at 4am and it won't go down
Even going to pee, the pee just comes out full erect

And driving my car as well, guaranteed wood every time
 
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