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If 5x5 is a peice of piss your weights are too light.
Try 5x5 with no more than 30 secs rest between sets and see how strong the piss can be. :p


I will gladly do 5x5 with squats.. I do i prefer it over 3x10 I find it easier. Especially over 20.

I am doing it with enough weight any more and i fail at the first 5 reps.
 
If 5x5 is a peice of piss your weights are too light.
Try 5x5 with no more than 30 secs rest between sets and see how strong the piss can be. :p


I will gladly do 5x5 with squats.. I do i prefer it over 3x10 I find it easier. Especially over 20.

I am doing it with enough weight any more and i fail at the first 5 reps.
 
The exact exercises arent critical, as long as you stick to the hadful of basics.

whether you do SLDL or regular, push press or MP, incline press or bench press etc

Its just that in any endeavour, your a novice for at least 12 months.

I see some insane questions and programs from lifters who are not interested in paying their dues.

If your training weight for squat is 80kg, you should not be asking about advanced techniques, tempo speed, isolation movements etc.

I dont want people on here to think I'm elitist, but an 80kg squat indicates to me youve never trained before.

My youngest son, Jessie, doesnt lift. He is 15 and had his first workout last week. Max trained him, and he did his squats with 80kg. He weighs 52kg. He is a novice. You are too until you can squat 140kg.

Like his brother, it will take him around 12 months to squat 140kg, irrespective of his bodyweight. Skinny guys that bitch and moan about how much easier it is for heavier guys never get much bigger.

Max loves big Nick. Max cleans 110kg, Nick 120kg. Max wants to beat him, he doesnt enjoy being weaker than him. He totally ignores the fact Nick is 28kg heavier than him.

These 5x5 programs I see every body doing on here surprise me. I think it was Kyle who suggested we put or best lifts in our sigs. What a brilliant idea. There is a thread up about fiber saturation that lists 50 supplements and tempo speeds of lifting, a host of isolation moves etc. A real long post. Then there is equally long responses.

The OP squats 80kg, the same weight a 50kg 15yo kid did on his first session. WTF.

Thats like me asking Katie to take me rock climbing on the North face of Mt Everest on my first climb.

Lifters dont understand how bizarre their actions are some times.

Walk, run, in that order.

yea i was the one talking about FDFS...

alright, thanks for making it clear now.
what I understand now is that, before I can expect any size or muscle tone, I need to get a hell of a lot stronger on the compound and basic lifts.... and that's done by hitting the gym 3 times a week, doing a program like below:

Squat 3 x 10
Bench press 3 x 8
Bent row 3 x 8
Military press 3 x 8
SLDL 3 x 8
BB curl 3 x 8

and increasing the weight each session.
Excuse my noob syndrome... some of the stuff the appears common sense to others might not be so obvious to me. e.g 5x5 vs. a simple program like above.
 
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The exact exercises arent critical, as long as you stick to the hadful of basics.

whether you do SLDL or regular, push press or MP, incline press or bench press etc

Its just that in any endeavour, your a novice for at least 12 months.

I see some insane questions and programs from lifters who are not interested in paying their dues.

If your training weight for squat is 80kg, you should not be asking about advanced techniques, tempo speed, isolation movements etc.

I dont want people on here to think I'm elitist, but an 80kg squat indicates to me youve never trained before.

My youngest son, Jessie, doesnt lift. He is 15 and had his first workout last week. Max trained him, and he did his squats with 80kg. He weighs 52kg. He is a novice. You are too until you can squat 140kg.

Like his brother, it will take him around 12 months to squat 140kg, irrespective of his bodyweight. Skinny guys that bitch and moan about how much easier it is for heavier guys never get much bigger.

Max loves big Nick. Max cleans 110kg, Nick 120kg. Max wants to beat him, he doesnt enjoy being weaker than him. He totally ignores the fact Nick is 28kg heavier than him.

These 5x5 programs I see every body doing on here surprise me. I think it was Kyle who suggested we put or best lifts in our sigs. What a brilliant idea. There is a thread up about fiber saturation that lists 50 supplements and tempo speeds of lifting, a host of isolation moves etc. A real long post. Then there is equally long responses.

The OP squats 80kg, the same weight a 50kg 15yo kid did on his first session. WTF.

Thats like me asking Katie to take me rock climbing on the North face of Mt Everest on my first climb.

Lifters dont understand how bizarre their actions are some times.

Walk, run, in that order.

yea i was the one talking about FDFS...

alright, thanks for making it clear now.
what I understand now is that, before I can expect any size or muscle tone, I need to get a hell of a lot stronger on the compound and basic lifts.... and that's done by hitting the gym 3 times a week, doing a program like below:

Squat 3 x 10
Bench press 3 x 8
Bent row 3 x 8
Military press 3 x 8
SLDL 3 x 8
BB curl 3 x 8

and increasing the weight each session.
Excuse my noob syndrome... some of the stuff the appears common sense to others might not be so obvious to me. e.g 5x5 vs. a simple program like above.
 
I would not do the BB curls. If you want another exercise perform 3 sets of calf raise.
 
I would not do the BB curls. If you want another exercise perform 3 sets of calf raise.
 
"bench 100kg, squat 140kg and deadlift 180kg"

Are all these 1rm's?
 
"bench 100kg, squat 140kg and deadlift 180kg"

Are all these 1rm's?
 
Markos can i do this routine but keep my breathing squats? (1x20 1x15)

I should i treat that routine as gospel and do it as is?
 
Markos can i do this routine but keep my breathing squats? (1x20 1x15)

I should i treat that routine as gospel and do it as is?
 
No rules when your training as smart as you are.

As long as lifters are busting their ass on basic movements ONLY, the rep set scheme can be easily manipulated.

Your training is excellent, adding another set of breathing squats will just make it better, if you can handle it.
 
No rules when your training as smart as you are.

As long as lifters are busting their ass on basic movements ONLY, the rep set scheme can be easily manipulated.

Your training is excellent, adding another set of breathing squats will just make it better, if you can handle it.
 
oh god no i won't add a third set of breathing squats!! i'll stick with my 2 sets.

I don't know squats any other way haha
 
oh god no i won't add a third set of breathing squats!! i'll stick with my 2 sets.

I don't know squats any other way haha
 
Max has been doing these exclusively since he squatted 156kg at BATB3.

On Monday he squatted a very easy 160kg, without once going over 130kg for a month.

He is getting close to 250% x bodyweight.

Twenty rep breathing squats are the real deal.
 
Max has been doing these exclusively since he squatted 156kg at BATB3.

On Monday he squatted a very easy 160kg, without once going over 130kg for a month.

He is getting close to 250% x bodyweight.

Twenty rep breathing squats are the real deal.
 
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