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    In your experience Markos, do most people slow down and stop getting increases each workout after reaching that point?
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    In your experience Markos, do most people slow down and stop getting increases each workout after reaching that point?


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    The exact exercises arent critical, as long as you stick to the hadful of basics.

    whether you do SLDL or regular, push press or MP, incline press or bench press etc

    Its just that in any endeavour, your a novice for at least 12 months.

    I see some insane questions and programs from lifters who are not interested in paying their dues.

    If your training weight for squat is 80kg, you should not be asking about advanced techniques, tempo speed, isolation movements etc.

    I dont want people on here to think I'm elitist, but an 80kg squat indicates to me youve never trained before.

    My youngest son, Jessie, doesnt lift. He is 15 and had his first workout last week. Max trained him, and he did his squats with 80kg. He weighs 52kg. He is a novice. You are too until you can squat 140kg.

    Like his brother, it will take him around 12 months to squat 140kg, irrespective of his bodyweight. Skinny guys that bitch and moan about how much easier it is for heavier guys never get much bigger.

    Max loves big Nick. Max cleans 110kg, Nick 120kg. Max wants to beat him, he doesnt enjoy being weaker than him. He totally ignores the fact Nick is 28kg heavier than him.

    These 5x5 programs I see every body doing on here surprise me. I think it was Kyle who suggested we put or best lifts in our sigs. What a brilliant idea. There is a thread up about fiber saturation that lists 50 supplements and tempo speeds of lifting, a host of isolation moves etc. A real long post. Then there is equally long responses.

    The OP squats 80kg, the same weight a 50kg 15yo kid did on his first session. WTF.

    Thats like me asking Katie to take me rock climbing on the North face of Mt Everest on my first climb.

    Lifters dont understand how bizarre their actions are some times.

    Walk, run, in that order.


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    The exact exercises arent critical, as long as you stick to the hadful of basics.

    whether you do SLDL or regular, push press or MP, incline press or bench press etc

    Its just that in any endeavour, your a novice for at least 12 months.

    I see some insane questions and programs from lifters who are not interested in paying their dues.

    If your training weight for squat is 80kg, you should not be asking about advanced techniques, tempo speed, isolation movements etc.

    I dont want people on here to think I'm elitist, but an 80kg squat indicates to me youve never trained before.

    My youngest son, Jessie, doesnt lift. He is 15 and had his first workout last week. Max trained him, and he did his squats with 80kg. He weighs 52kg. He is a novice. You are too until you can squat 140kg.

    Like his brother, it will take him around 12 months to squat 140kg, irrespective of his bodyweight. Skinny guys that bitch and moan about how much easier it is for heavier guys never get much bigger.

    Max loves big Nick. Max cleans 110kg, Nick 120kg. Max wants to beat him, he doesnt enjoy being weaker than him. He totally ignores the fact Nick is 28kg heavier than him.

    These 5x5 programs I see every body doing on here surprise me. I think it was Kyle who suggested we put or best lifts in our sigs. What a brilliant idea. There is a thread up about fiber saturation that lists 50 supplements and tempo speeds of lifting, a host of isolation moves etc. A real long post. Then there is equally long responses.

    The OP squats 80kg, the same weight a 50kg 15yo kid did on his first session. WTF.

    Thats like me asking Katie to take me rock climbing on the North face of Mt Everest on my first climb.

    Lifters dont understand how bizarre their actions are some times.

    Walk, run, in that order.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nievs View Post
    In your experience Markos, do most people slow down and stop getting increases each workout after reaching that point?
    Depends on the lifter.

    When Max squatted 140kg, I thought he would slow down, taking his age and weight into account. He is now up to 156kg, and on his way to squatting double bodyweight x 20.

    Only what can happen will happen, its up to you to make it happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by nievs View Post
    In your experience Markos, do most people slow down and stop getting increases each workout after reaching that point?
    Depends on the lifter.

    When Max squatted 140kg, I thought he would slow down, taking his age and weight into account. He is now up to 156kg, and on his way to squatting double bodyweight x 20.

    Only what can happen will happen, its up to you to make it happen.


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    A question on this programme: same goals for women? If not, then what?

    Are these straight across sets, or ascending? In either case, what sort of warmup are we looking at?

    These may be "duh, that's obvious" to you, but not necessarily to everyone reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by PTC View Post
    These 5x5 programs I see every body doing on here surprise me.
    Many beginners have had some success with a 5x5 programme, some variation of it. Here are some of the results they claim, but it doesn't mention how long it took - the whole stronglifts thing is only a couple of years old, though. I suppose all the people posting on stronglifts.com could be lying, but it seems unlikely.

    Is that better or worse or about the same as what you've posted? I'm not qualified or experienced enough to say. My instinct is that consistent effort's the most important part - seems obvious, but lots of people aren't consistent, they quit things or change workouts every five minutes.

    I'm giving a 5x5 variation a go, and any programme needs some time to show results, I've only done it for a couple of weeks. I'll do it until November 20, then probably do some maintenance-level work while cutting for my wedding a month later.

    Based on the results I got from that, I may do it again or something different in 2010.
    I think it was Kyle who suggested we put or best lifts in our sigs. What a brilliant idea.
    My idea was that results should speak for themselves. As the saying goes, if it's stupid and it works it ain't stupid. But likewise, if it's brilliant and it doesn't work it ain't brilliant

    It puts things in perspective. It also lets me know when I can help someone, and when I should shut my mouth. "Hmmm, he has a 200kg deadlift, I'll mind my own business, in fact I might even shoot him a PM to ask for advice..."
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    A question on this programme: same goals for women? If not, then what?

    Are these straight across sets, or ascending? In either case, what sort of warmup are we looking at?

    These may be "duh, that's obvious" to you, but not necessarily to everyone reading.

    Quote Originally Posted by PTC View Post
    These 5x5 programs I see every body doing on here surprise me.
    Many beginners have had some success with a 5x5 programme, some variation of it. Here are some of the results they claim, but it doesn't mention how long it took - the whole stronglifts thing is only a couple of years old, though. I suppose all the people posting on stronglifts.com could be lying, but it seems unlikely.

    Is that better or worse or about the same as what you've posted? I'm not qualified or experienced enough to say. My instinct is that consistent effort's the most important part - seems obvious, but lots of people aren't consistent, they quit things or change workouts every five minutes.

    I'm giving a 5x5 variation a go, and any programme needs some time to show results, I've only done it for a couple of weeks. I'll do it until November 20, then probably do some maintenance-level work while cutting for my wedding a month later.

    Based on the results I got from that, I may do it again or something different in 2010.
    I think it was Kyle who suggested we put or best lifts in our sigs. What a brilliant idea.
    My idea was that results should speak for themselves. As the saying goes, if it's stupid and it works it ain't stupid. But likewise, if it's brilliant and it doesn't work it ain't brilliant

    It puts things in perspective. It also lets me know when I can help someone, and when I should shut my mouth. "Hmmm, he has a 200kg deadlift, I'll mind my own business, in fact I might even shoot him a PM to ask for advice..."
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    Great post PTC. My husband is going to start lifting so I'll get him to do this. I'm no expert lifter so I'll be doing this too.

    Edited to add: just read Kyle's posts, I too wanted to ask about why you think 5x5 programs aren't effective eg. the one at www.stronglifts.com.

    They have a thriving forum there with plenty of training diaries so it seems like 5x5 does work for novices?

    here is the program
    http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5...ining-program/
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    Great post PTC. My husband is going to start lifting so I'll get him to do this. I'm no expert lifter so I'll be doing this too.

    Edited to add: just read Kyle's posts, I too wanted to ask about why you think 5x5 programs aren't effective eg. the one at www.stronglifts.com.

    They have a thriving forum there with plenty of training diaries so it seems like 5x5 does work for novices?

    here is the program
    http://stronglifts.com/stronglifts-5...ining-program/
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