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    Quote Originally Posted by LJK23 View Post
    - A morning coffee (black) is great to keep your metabolism pumping - most of the diet pills are heavily laced with caffiene anyway. ( but use this in moderation, I have one coffee per day)
    Thank you for this information LJK23. Just a quick question if you donít mind Sir; is you drinking this black coffee on an empty stomach first thing in the morning? Caffeine does facilitate fat loss there's no doubt. I just want to know about the exact timing and if there's something else in the stomach that will raise your insulin at that very critical "morning" hour?

    I thank you for your time LJK23.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadi View Post
    Thank you for this information LJK23. Just a quick question if you donít mind Sir; is you drinking this black coffee on an empty stomach first thing in the morning? Caffeine does facilitate fat loss there's no doubt. I just want to know about the exact timing and if there's something else in the stomach that will raise your insulin at that very critical "morning" hour?

    I thank you for your time LJK23.


    Fadi.
    Hi Fadi,

    I do my cardio on an empty stomach at about 6am, Brekky following that ( Oats/whey etc)

    Then approx an hour so later I have the coffee, taken in between my brekky and mid morning snack..

    Though.. I was previously having caffeine before my morning cardio, whether it be from a quick green tea , coffee or a caffeine supplement.

    Interested to hear where you were going to go with your comments? I might learn something useful..

    Cheers

    LJK.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LJK23 View Post
    Hi Fadi,

    I do my cardio on an empty stomach at about 6am, Brekky following that ( Oats/whey etc)

    Then approx an hour so later I have the coffee, taken in between my brekky and mid morning snack..

    Though.. I was previously having caffeine before my morning cardio, whether it be from a quick green tea , coffee or a caffeine supplement.

    Interested to hear where you were going to go with your comments? I might learn something useful..

    Cheers

    LJK.
    Hi LJK,

    Thank you for your reply. Re the cardio on an empty stomach and whether it's better or not; that is something that is still being discussed and argued back and forth between scientists as well as their followers. So wih that issue, I say do whatever makes you feel better in the way of energy and fat loss.

    Now as to the caffeine issue; it's been proven scientifically that caffiene does increase fat breakdown and usage during exercise. It also helps one increase the intensity of the workout due to its ability to increase arousal and reduce perception of effort. That was the good news.

    The bad news is that it doesn't do the "good" well enough. It does the bad really well. What's the bad? I've copied and pasted something for you to read, not to put you off coffee LJK, but rather to place the other side of the story before you and let you sit in judgement of it.

    I'm 44 now. I've decided to give up both soft drinks as well as coffee and tea when I was a young boy of 15. That's nearly 30 years ago now. In 2009, I've decided to drink green tea but mainly white tea for its very strong anti-oxidant and mind calming amino acid L-Theanine.

    Because I don't drink coffee, I can use it as a drug and it affects me in a very powerful way when and if an emergency arises. In one of my articles here on the forum called fat burners that really work, I've included caffeine in the mix. However that is understood to be for a short time and for a specific purpose. And most importantly, caffeine really acts as a drug when the person drinking it is not an everyday coffee drinker. Then, it has much more of a kick!

    PS: If you after some real energy without the side effects of caffeine, then I suggest you take choline and inositol together. Trust me, the boost of mental energy (which controls the physical) won't be a placebo! There are many other items that will boost mind power.

    Here's the document for you to read if you like LJK.

    CAFFEINE KILLS
    Okay, I know this article won't be popular. Most of us are so addicted to Caffeine that we don't want to know about it. I am writing this because when "Caffeine Blues" came out I just knew I had to read it. Several years ago I began to realise that coffee was much worse than we had been told, because I noticed that I got an arthritic pain in my wrist within ten to twenty minutes of a cappucino!

    This book didn't just tell me how bad coffee was - it told me how GOOD I would feel once I was totally caffeine free for two months. Somehow, this book sold me on giving it a try. And it was right! For example, I no longer have the drained feeling that I sometimes used to get in the mornings.

    This is one of the best health books I have ever read. It is written by Stephen Cherniske who is a Clinical Nutritionist. "Caffeine Blues" is incredibly easy to read, and convincing. After reading it I realized that caffeine does NOT give us energy. In fact, it is a major CAUSE of LACK of energy.However, he explains that this drug is so powerful that one needs to go for three weeks to two months without any caffeine before one notices the difference. And how many of us have ever done that? Hardly anyone.

    Caffeine is also a major cause of heart attacks and cancer.

    As Cherniske waded through the tons of information on caffeine, he began to see that consciously or unconsciously nearly every researcher starts from the assumption that caffeine is okay. Why? Probably because they themselves depended on caffeine.
    Caffeine is in coffee, black tea, green tea, oolong tea (wu-yi tea), 'decaffeinated' coffee and tea, chocolate, colas, chuppa-chups, many sodas, some drugs, most 'energy' drinks and guarana.


    A 6 oz cup of:
    • Percolated coffee has about 120 mg of caffeine
    • Black tea has about 70 mg of caffeine
    • Green tea about 35 mg of caffeine
    • Leading colas 45 mg of caffeine
    • Mountain dew 54 mg of caffeine
    • Brewed decaf has 5 mg of caffeine
    • Milk chocolate has 6 mg per ounce
    • Baking chocolate has 35 mg per ounce.
    Caffeine is produced by more than eighty species of plants. The reason may well be survival. As it turns out, caffeine is a biological poison used by plants as a pesticide.
    Caffeine is considered harmless simply because it is so widely used. Dr William Dement in his book "The Promise of Sleep" said that if caffeine was introduced today, it would not be allowed.

    There is a brochure available in hospitals and other medical related areas: "What you should know about caffeine" published by the International Food Information Council (IFIC) in Washington DC. After many phone calls Cherniske finally got a list of 'supporters' of the IFIC. The list included Pepsi, Coca-Cola, M&M, Nutrasweet, Nestle and Hershey - all of whom have caffeine in their drinks and foods. 'Partners' of the IFIC included groups such as the National Association of Pediatric Nurses and the Children's Advertising Review Unit of the Council of Better Business Bureau Inc. This brochure says that "Caffeine is normally excreted within several hours after consumption". In fact, only 1% is excreted. The remaining 99% has to be detoxified by the liver.

    It can take up to 12 hours to detoxify a single cup of coffee.
    Many studies regarding coffee and hypertension were flawed, because the test studies came off coffee for only one or two weeks. It takes many more weeks than this for stress hormone levels of the body to return to normal.

    The 'half-life' of a drug is the time it takes the body to remove one half of the dose. Caffeine is a drug. The half-life of a single dose of caffeine ranges from three to TWELVE hours.

    Caffeine puts your body into stress. A single 250 milligram dose of caffeine (the equivalent of about 2.5 six ounce cups of coffee) has been shown to increase levels of the stress hormone epinephrine (adrenaline) by over 200%.

    Caffeine triggers a classic fight-or-flight reaction. The fight-or-flight response was designed for events that happened only occasionally (such as a lion chasing you). Now, we put our body in fight-or-flight every day with caffeine!!! Since we are in society, we don't respond in a fight-or-flight way. Instead, other things may happen. For example, sugar and fat get dumped unused in the bloodstream. The sugar creates more stress. The fat clogs the arteries. The digestive system slows or shuts down.
    Not only is caffeine addictive, it also encourages other addictions to substances like nicotine.

    Caffeine does not give you energy. It stimulates your nervous system and adrenals. That's not energy, that's stress. Imagine going to a bank for a loan. The loan officer agrees to your loan. But as you leave the bank you notice the fine print - the loan has to be repaid at 75% interest! The 'energy' that you think you get from caffeine is really just a loan from the adrenals and liver, and the interest you have to pay is very high.

    Stress is a major factor in disorders such as anxiety, insomnia, depression, ulcers, rheumatoid arthritis, headache, hypoglycemia, asthma, herpes, hypertension and heart disease. And yet hospitals provide coffee and tea, which put your body into stress!!!

    DHEA is our vitality hormone. Decreased levels of DHEA is a cause of aging. Caffeine consumption leads to DHEA deficiency. Caffeine is an AGING DRUG!
    Caffeine lowers the stress threshold in virtually everyone. That is, if you have had caffeine, it will be easier for you to suffer from emotional stress or other stress. (Therefore, when research is done that is designed to show how safe caffeine is, any test subject who is under significant stress is removed from the study).
    Caffeine is implicated in ulcers and irritable bowel syndrome: GABA is produced in the intestinal tract, where it calms anxiety and stress. Caffeine disrupts the normal metabolism of GABA.

    Caffeine disrupts sleep. Deep sleep is CRITICAL to good health. When there's caffeine in your bloodstream, you are unlikely to experience deep sleep at all!
    Caffeine AT ANY TIME of the day can cause sleep problems, especially if you are under stress.

    Malnutrition is one of the most well-defined effects of habitual caffeine intake.
    A single cup of coffee can reduce iron absorption from a meal by as much as 75%.
    People do not develop a tolerance to the anxiety-producing effects of caffeine. Rather, people simply become accustomed to the feelings of stress, irritability and aggressiveness produced by the drug.

    Caffeine contributes to depression in well-defined ways. This is particularly due to the withdrawal effect, which can cause headache, depression and fatigue, even in light users (p. 111). Cherniske reported that 90% of people who came to him who suffered from depression and gave up caffeine completely for 2 months reported that their depression went away!

    If you are a coffee (or tea or cola) drinker, you may be thinking, "Well, I drink coffee and I'm not depressed." It's necessary to state that everyone is different, and also that depression can be subtle. Throughout the book, Cherniske suggests that you will never know the full effect the drug is having on you until you experience what life is like caffeine free (which takes two months to do). Over the years, Cherniske has heard similar responses from hundreds of clients: "Wow, I never realized that caffeine made me so (select one: anxious, depressed, irritable)."

    Students the world over use caffeine not only to stay awake, but also they believe the drug will improve their performance on exams. Solid research, however, illustrates that as little as 100 milligrams of caffeine (one cup of coffee, two cups of cola) can cause a significant DECREASE in recall and reasoning.

    When people are relaxed and given caffeine, caffeine does not raise blood pressure significantly. But how many people are relaxed? When people are stressed and given caffeine, blood pressure is raised significantly.

    Women who consume more than 24 ounces of coffee (6 moderate cups) per day had almost twice the risk of heart attack compared to non-coffee drinkers. Moderate coffee drinkers with high cholesterol had more than seven times the risk of heart attack, while heavy coffee drinkers had eighteen times the risk of non-coffee drinkers!

    Caffeine depletes your supplies of thiamin and other B vitamins, calcium, magnesium, potassium, iron and zinc.

    Caffeine increases calcium loss and risk of osteoporosis.

    In one large study, the risk for hip fracture for those women who consumed the most caffeine was 300% greater than it was for the group that consumed little or no caffeine.

    Take the Challenge! Most people have no idea what life would be like without the background of caffeine and stress hormones coursing through their veins. Even if you're only having a few cups a coffee, chances are your personality is affected in ways that may be too subtle for you to associate with caffeine. I want to encourage you to conduct a trial period without caffeine. You owe it to yourself. And your family. It could save your life.

    Don't' go 'cold turkey'. To avoid headaches etc. when giving up caffeine, Cherniske recommends taking up to six weeks to come off it. Drink the same NUMBER of cups, but each week reduce the strength or amount in each cup.

    There is lots more information in this very easy-to-read and highly interesting book. 440 pages. Read this book and you won't need to spend so much on supplements!

    UPDATES:
    I have been truly amazed at the high number of 'scientific studies' that have come out since the publication of "Caffeine Blues" which supposedly show how chocolate and even coffee is good for us. I guess the chocolate / soda / coffee industry felt threatened enough that they had to pour money in to solve this new 'problem' of theirs.

    As I read each study, I am reminded of the most memorable day during my Bachelor of Science degree at Sydney Universtiy. Professor Tony Underwood told our 3rd year Zoology class to get out one of our text books, and turn to a page which had a particular scientific study on it. He asked us, what had that study proven?

    We gave the standard answers. But then the professor got all fired up and said, "No!". He explained how every scientific paper is set up to prove a particular point of view. But the truth is usually that you have to look at a particular problem from all angles. There were many, many other possiblities as to the truth of that study.

    The same with these new 'studies' which appear to support caffeine. When you look closely, they will NOT say that caffeine enhances your health and long-term wellbeing. They will say something like a particular part of chocolate is good for you, but not all of chocolate, or that coffee helps reduce some particular kind of cancer - presumably because the person will be likely to get some other disease first instead. And they will ignore any other symptoms that may appear, especially long-term ones.
    Remember, caffeine is an AGING DRUG.

    Based on a book called Caffeine Blues which was written by clinical nutritionist Stephen Cherniske.


    Fadi.
    Last edited by Fadi; 08-10-2009 at 03:52 AM.
    1984 Age 18, BW 73kg: FS195kg, BS200kg, 162.5 3x10, PC 140kg, C&J 160kg. 1987 Age 22, BW 77kg BS 130kg x20, 120kg x50.


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    WOW.. Thanks Fadi, great article and reply... I might stick with the coffee/green tea for the remaining weeks of my cutting diet and then I will go without for a few months and put that article to the test.

    Quite scary reading something like that...

    Hey in regards to choline and inositol, when would be the ideal time to take these supps, I see that combined they also have strong fat metabolism benefits so this suggestion seems like a great addition to my cutting diet.

    Would this best be consumed on an empty stomach before cardio and then perhaps pre workout in the evenings?

    I have another question for you and I'm sorry for hijacking the original post, I do apologize for this and am happy to repost this question.

    But Fadi, what are your thoughts on B-alanine?

    Hope you can offer some advice on the above

    LJK


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    Sticking to teas now!!!!!!! thank you for your post Fadi


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    Quote Originally Posted by LJK23 View Post
    WOW.. Thanks Fadi, great article and reply... I might stick with the coffee/green tea for the remaining weeks of my cutting diet and then I will go without for a few months and put that article to the test.

    Quite scary reading something like that...

    Hey in regards to choline and inositol, when would be the ideal time to take these supps, I see that combined they also have strong fat metabolism benefits so this suggestion seems like a great addition to my cutting diet.

    Would this best be consumed on an empty stomach before cardio and then perhaps pre workout in the evenings?

    I have another question for you and I'm sorry for hijacking the original post, I do apologize for this and am happy to repost this question.

    But Fadi, what are your thoughts on B-alanine?

    Hope you can offer some advice on the above

    LJK
    LJK (what's your name by the way?),

    You've asked me about Beta-alanine. This baby is one of the magic tools we have at our finger tips. Seriously, with aids like this, who needs caffeine!

    Beta alanine is great for your workout due to the way it boosts another essential ingredient that loves nothing more than to munch on the hydrogen ions caused by your muscle contractions. It boosts a molecule composed of the amino acids histidine and alanine called carnosine, or as I like to call it, the ďHI muncher". OK, so why is that important you ask? It's because when the HI level raise, something in the muscles drops; that something is the pH level. The acidity in the muscle rises which goes toward slowing your workout down, endurance and intensity wise.

    Carnosine thanks to B-alanine, goes on to restore the pH to its normal levels and hence enables LJK to blast through his workout. And since every single workout counts toward the bigger goal of being freaky, then one can not afford to have a lousy rep let alone a set or a whole workout.

    I'd take 1g before and 1g after the workout. I'm not crazy about huge dosages with anything. If 1 or 1.5g works...then it works!

    Nearly forgot, as for the choline and Inositol, 1g of each before your workout. Your mind will become clearer. I'm a great believer that if your mind is in the right place, then everything would have to follow. Always start with the central computer that controls all else!

    Just so you know, don't believe the hype re choline/Inositol doing anything for your fat mass. It's your brain mass that these two chemicals work on!


    Fadi.
    1984 Age 18, BW 73kg: FS195kg, BS200kg, 162.5 3x10, PC 140kg, C&J 160kg. 1987 Age 22, BW 77kg BS 130kg x20, 120kg x50.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadi View Post
    LJK (what's your name by the way?),

    You've asked me about Beta-alanine. This baby is one of the magic tools we have at our finger tips. Seriously, with aids like this, who needs caffeine!

    Beta alanine is great for your workout due to the way it boosts another essential ingredient that loves nothing more than to munch on the hydrogen ions caused by your muscle contractions. It boosts a molecule composed of the amino acids histidine and alanine called carnosine, or as I like to call it, the “HI muncher". OK, so why is that important you ask? It's because when the HI level raise, something in the muscles drops; that something is the pH level. The acidity in the muscle rises which goes toward slowing your workout down, endurance and intensity wise.

    Carnosine thanks to B-alanine, goes on to restore the pH to its normal levels and hence enables LJK to blast through his workout. And since every single workout counts toward the bigger goal of being freaky, then one can not afford to have a lousy rep let alone a set or a whole workout.

    I'd take 1g before and 1g after the workout. I'm not crazy about huge dosages with anything. If 1 or 1.5g works...then it works!

    Nearly forgot, as for the choline and Inositol, 1g of each before your workout. Your mind will become clearer. I'm a great believer that if your mind is in the right place, then everything would have to follow. Always start with the central computer that controls all else!

    Just so you know, don't believe the hype re choline/Inositol doing anything for your fat mass. It's your brain mass that these two chemicals work on!


    Fadi.
    Very informative, thank you my friend.

    I was wondering why you were holding back on writing about Beta-alanine...
    Last edited by Jas0n; 08-10-2009 at 09:48 PM.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jas0n View Post
    Very informative, thank you my friend.

    I was wondering why you were holding back on writing about Beta-alanine...
    No one asked me...!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadi View Post
    No one asked me...!


    Fadi.
    i did! in my first post i was asking about all my supps, including... you guessed it, beta alanine!

    http://ausbb.com/bodybuilding-supple...ock-supps.html

    although this post was obviously directed at everyone, not just you


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    Quote Originally Posted by pistachio View Post
    i did! in my first post i was asking about all my supps, including... you guessed it, beta alanine!

    http://ausbb.com/bodybuilding-supple...ock-supps.html

    although this post was obviously directed at everyone, not just you
    Oops, in that case I'm sorry for missing it Pistachio. My fault.


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