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[Article] Lose Fat / Maintain Muscle

Thanks Fadi,

Will put all into practice, thank you so much!!

Here is the contents of my multi, perhaps you can incorperate it for me?


Serving Size 2 tablets

Amount Per Serving % DV
Vitamin A (50% as beta-Carotene, 50% as Acetate) 5000 IU 100%
Vitamin C (as Ascorbic Acid & Calcium Ascorbate) 300 mg 500%
Vitamin D (as Cholecalciferol) 200 IU 50%
Vitamin E (as Natural d-alpha Tocopheryl Acetate) 100 IU 333%
Vitamin K (Phytonadione) 80 mcg 100%
Thiamin (Vitamin B-1)(as Thiamin Mononitrate) 50 mg 3333%
Riboflavin (Vitamin B-2) 50 mg 2941%
Niacin (as Niacin and Niacinamide) 50 mg 250%
Vitamin B-6 (as Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 50 mg 2500%
Folic Acid 400 mcg 100%
Vitamin B-12 (as Cyanocobalamin) 50 mcg 833%
Biotin 300 mcg 100%
Pantothenic Acid (as Calcium d-Pantothenate) 50 mg 500%
Calcium (as Calcium Carbonate and Calcium Citrate Malate) 200 mg 20%
Iodine (as Potassium Iodide) 150 mcg 100%
Magnesium (as Magnesium Oxide) 100 mg 25%
Zinc (as Zinc Oxide) 25 mg 167%
Selenium (as Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate) 200 mcg 286%
Copper (as Copper Gluconate) 2 mg 100%
Manganese (as Manganese Sulfate) 2 mg 100%
Chromium (as Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate) 120 mcg 100%
Molybdenum (as Sodium Molybdate) 75 mcg 100%
Proprietary Sports Blend 215 mg **
Green Tea Leaves Extract (Camellia sinensis) **
Ginkgo Biloba Leaf Extract **
L-Arginine **
L-Carnitine **
L-Glutamine **
L-Taurine **
Branched Chain Amino Acid Blend 250 mg **
L-Valine **
L-Leucine **
L-Isoleucine **
alpha-Lipoic Acid 25 mg **
Choline (as Choline Bitartrate) 10 mg **
Inositol 10 mg **
Silica (as Silicon Dioxide) 4 mg **
Boron (as Hydrolyzed Protein Chelate) 2 mg **
Lutein (as Lutein Esters) 950 mcg **
Lycopene 950 mcg **
Astaxanthin 50 mcg **
Zeaxanthin 50 mcg **
Vanadium (as Sodium Metavanadate) 10 mcg **
** Daily Value (DV) not established.

Other Ingredients: Cellulose, Titanium Dioxide (Natural Mineral Whitener), Vegetable Acetoglycerides

No Artificial Colors, No Artificial Flavors, No Wheat, No Gluten, No Dairy, Yeast Free


This is what im working with atm... its growing... Thanks again.

Diet" #1: A 2200/2800 CALORIE FOOD PLAN
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Before/During Workout Energy Drink:
6g WPI, 40g Oatmass, 400ml water
Or--------------------------------------------6g WPI, 25g WMS, 400ml water
Or--------------------------------------------45g 1 ½ thin slice white bread, 5g WPI, water
Or------------------------------------------- 125g White potato boiled, 5g WPI, water
1 Cap aspirin
2g of Leucine
2g of Glutamine,
1g L-Carnatine – Off on the weekends
2.5g Creatine
100mg Vitamin C
100mg Vitamin E
On rest days, substitute the above high GI foods with a mid/low GI one.
125g sweet potato Or, 1small banana Or, 2 slices Multigrain bread (56g) Or,30g (raw weight) basmati rice.
Protein Carb Fat Cal
6g 24g 1g 130

Immediately PWO Anabolic Drink: 10g WPI, 65g Oatmass, 500ml water
Or----------------------------------------15g WPI, 50g WMS, 500ml water
Or----------------------------------------225g White boiled potato, 12g WPI
Or---------------------------------------- 90g 3 slices white bread, 10g WPI, water
2g of Leucine
2g of Glutamine
2.5 Creatine
3g Beta alanine – Off on the weekends
On rest days, substitute the above high GI foods with a mid/low GI one.
550g Rockmelon Or, 220g sweet potato,
Protein Carb Fat Cal
15g 45g 1g 250
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Breakfast:
2x60g egg boiled/scrambled
90g 3 thin slices white or multi grain bread
Or............2.5 medium or 3 small sized bananas
Or............200g sweet potato
Or............225g Corn Kernels (frozen/cooked)
25g Dried apricot OR, 30g pitted prunes OR, 106g 1 small apple
Salad w/10ml extra virgin olive oil
OR--------------------------------------20g nut or seed of your choice.
Green tea .
Protein Carb Fat Cal
22g 60g 29g 545


Snack1:
200g Yoghurt, Organic & Natural
OR: -------------------------------------150g Cottage cheese.
250g Strawberry Punnet (can be blended with the natural yogurt with added stivia or splenda for sweetness).
OR---------------------------------------250g Rockmelon blended as above
OR---------------------------------------150g Mango (blended as above)
OR---------------------------------------150g Blueberries (blended as above).
As a variation, add 1 teaspoon Coffee + 1 teaspoon Unsweetened Cocoa Powder.
1x magnesium
Protein Carb Fat Cal
15g 32g 8g 260
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Lunch:
70g Chicken, dark meat, meat only, roasted, chopped or diced
100g Baked Sweet Potato
OR: ---------------------------25g Raw Basmati rice (cooked)
OR: ---------------------------30g Raw Pasta (cooked).
Salad
Cup of white tea .
Protein Carb Fat Cal
20g 2 3g 7g 232
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Snack2:
1x10g Chocolate, Dark, 70% Cocoa
1x 150g small orange
1x magnesium
Protein Carb Fat Cal
2.5g 20g 4g 125

PWO – Afternoon training
1 Ginseng tab
2 BCAA tab

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Dinner:
100g Raw Salmon pan fried
OR..................2x50g Eggs and 50g Prawns
OR...................100g Chicken Thigh fillet baked/grilled
OR...................60g Bega, Cheese: Cheddar, So Extra Light, Tasty, 50% fat free.
10 ml macadamia oil or substitute with 10ml olive oil to add on the salad below
75g Butter Beans with XL Salad
VIT C 100mg
VIT B 100mg
Glucosamine x 2
Calcium x 1
Protein Carb Fat Cal
26g 15g 24g 375
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Bedtime snack:

250ml Organic Full Cream Milk
30g Tri-Release Protein
1x magnesium
1 x Zinc
Protein Carb Fat Cal
32g 14g 11g 285

TOTAL
Protein: Carb Fat Cal
138g 233g 85g 2200
25% 42% 33%
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Changes for 2800 (alternate every 2 or 3 days)

Lunch:
200g (raw weight) 95% lean mince meat.
50g Raw Basmati rice (cooked)
1x10g Chocolate, Dark, 70% Cocoa
1x 150g small orange
1x magnesium
2g of Leucine
2g of Glutamine

Protein Carb Fat Cal
48g 61 20 645

Snack2:

70g Chicken, dark meat, meat only, roasted, chopped or diced
100g Baked Sweet Potato
OR: ---------------------------25g Raw Basmati rice (cooked)
OR: ---------------------------30g Raw Pasta (cooked).
140g 1 medium apple.
Salad
White cup of tea
Protein Carb Fat Cal
20g 42g 7 302

MD
 
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That looks like a pretty solid Multi!
I agree, although Fadi is recommending 100g of E & C prior to training, so Im not sure weather to take extra C/E on its own as well or up the multi or just have the C & E etc, im sure it dose not make or break the system, but i am just trying to find the optimal approach..

MD
 
If u do eat a balanced diet, I cannot see why u should take vitamin as such!!!!! I tend to eat a lot of fresh fruit and vegetable. U name it, I have eaten all of them.
 
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If u do eat a balanced diet, I cannot see why u should take vitamin as such!!!!! I tend to eat a lot of fresh fruit and vegetable. U name it, I have eaten all of them.

I agree that a balanced diet is 1st priority, as you see above mine is. However, I am looking to create an 'optimal' nutritional plan, so i feel that supplementation assists in achieving this without the increased calories of the wholefoods for this purpose.

Hey Josh,

Agreed, it probably looks like a lot of tabs when laid out like that but basically for each day its..

2x Vitamin C
2xVitamin E
1x Ginseng tab
2xBCAA tab
Glucosamine x 2
Calcium x 1
3x tablet of magnesium Complete
1 x Zinc

+ 5 litres H20
 
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Thanks, Mika,

Did u say " Glucosamine"? Do u have some sort of joint/bone problem?
 
Thanks, Mika,

Did u say " Glucosamine"? Do u have some sort of joint/bone problem?

Glucosamine was recommended to me about 18 months ago following an accident in which i damaged my right arm, elbow cartlidge and tendons. I have since made an 90% recovery and do not really experience much pain or inflammation any more, although some tricep excercises are affected, it has just become a staple in my program since, i take a low dosage so not too concerned about it. i will probably cycle off in the future and see if any effects take place.

MD
 
That is still 14 tabs! LOL (Double my intake)

I noticed you don't take fish oil tabs?
 
Fish oil capsule to be more precise!!!! Are u talking about Cod liver oil or salmon fish oil?
 
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Glucosamine was recommended to me about 18 months ago following an accident in which i damaged my right arm, elbow cartlidge and tendons. I have since made an 90% recovery and do not really experience much pain or inflammation any more, although some tricep excercises are affected, it has just become a staple in my program since, i take a low dosage so not too concerned about it. i will probably cycle off in the future and see if any effects take place.

MD


You are absolutely right because I do recommend glucosamine for those with arthritis related joint discomfort, apart from telling them to take MSM and chondroitin as well.( methylsulfonylmethane)
 
I agree, although Fadi is recommending 100g of E & C prior to training, so Im not sure weather to take extra C/E on its own as well or up the multi or just have the C & E etc, im sure it dose not make or break the system, but i am just trying to find the optimal approach..

MD

Hi Daniel,

It's good there's no iron in there. Also re the vitamin E, I'd like no more than 400mg total/day. So that's 100+100+ (100 that is in the multi). Looks good, even if the multi gives 200, you're still withing the desired 400mg range.

I hope that I've cleared that baby for you.


Fadi.
 
Daniel,


5am:preWO
2 Multi vit tabs.............there maybe too much of something in here. It's hard to say without knowing the content.
5g L-Carnatine..............1g is all you need and is best stopped over the weekend since L-Carnitine accumelates over time.
1 green tea tab...............Too much caffeine for me at this time. A double edged sword most definetly, but I want insulin to work its magic on cortisol without any hindrece coming from caffeine.
3 AMP tabs....................? If it has caffeine, then see above.
2g glutamine
2g Lucine
5g taurine
100mg VitC
100mg VitE
PwoShake

8:amPWO
5g glutamine...............2g
2g Lucine
5g creatine.................2.5g (the other 2.5g before training)
5g Beta alanine............3g and as for L-Carnitine, stop over the weekends.
Pwo meal

5pmPWO
1 Ginseng tab............... keep like that and make sure no caffeine here or you'll risk kicking your CNS in the guts!
2 BCAA tab

7pmPWO
Meal
1 tab Vit B
1 tab Vit C
1 tab calcium.................add 1 of the magnesium tablet here please.
1 tab zinc.......................drop the zinc when taking calcium or protein pwder. Have it at other times with magnesium.
2 glucosamine tab
10pm
Shake....................... defenitely 1 mag here...defenitly. I want you to have a restful sleep and at the same time want the calcium that comes from the shake to be fully absorbed with the aid of the magnesium.

I'll leave it here Daniel. Look at what I've done and adjust accordingly if need be.


Fadi.

Hi Fadi, noted, I should drop the Zinc from 7pm (Dinner), you mention.........................drop the zinc when taking calcium or protein pwder. Have it at other times with magnesium....Do you mean each time I take magnesium or just one Zinc tablet daily?

Also, noting my Multi, do you feel I need to add any additional VIT B?

MD
 
Hi Fadi, noted, I should drop the Zinc from 7pm (Dinner), you mention.........................drop the zinc when taking calcium or protein pwder. Have it at other times with magnesium....Do you mean each time I take magnesium or just one Zinc tablet daily?

Also, noting my Multi, do you feel I need to add any additional VIT B?

MD

Hi Mika,
Just the 1 zinc tab/daily please. No need for other Bs Md. It's fine as is.


Fadi.
 
1. Squats/Leg press, 2. Military press/ Upright rows
3. Crunches/ Hanging leg raises
4. Barbell curls/ Dumbell curls
5. Bench press/Incline dumbell press
6. Dead lift/ Barbell rows
7. Leg curls/leg extensions
8. Seated rowing/ Lat puuldown

Hi Fadi,

a few questions regarding this program...

1) what sort of rep cadence do you use? ie quick, explosive reps, or slow controlled, or just a normal speed?
2) seeing as i do not actually know my daily maintenance calories, what would happen if i were to have a calorie surplus? (i have a fast metabolism)
3) in weeks 4 to 6 when you are performing multiple exercises in a row, should there be any specific order to the exercises to minimise fatigue?
4) is there only one set of each exercise performed per workout?
5) do you keep the weight the same as you increase the reps (as a means of progression) or do you lower the weight?

i have never done high reps like this, so i have no idea what kind of weight i could handle, but i imagine i would improve reasonably quickly, having never done this before. also, how close to failure should you be? should you finish a set and be absolutely stuffed, or should you still be able to manage 1 or more reps?

and in terms of the exercises, how would something like the exercises below look (in the order i have them)? i want to make sure i have a good balance, currently my weaknesses would be legs and calves, traps and rear delts. my back is probably a bit out of proportion with my chest, and my tris are probably a bit small for my bis as well. if you have any better ideas for exercises, or the order in which to perform them, i'm all ears :)

Squats
Lat pulldown
Deadlifts
Bench press
Leg press
Military press
Seated row
Crunches

any advice would be greatly appreciated :)
cheers
 
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