Fasted training

[Stiff 2G]

So long as your lifting output isn't diminished and your overall protein consumption maximises muscle protein synthesis I don't see how fasted training can be dismissed point blank as "not optimal".

Did fasted for years at 4AM, sometimes with just a coffee and banana in my system - even that wasn't optimal as I'd still fade towards the end. A carb dessert (Oats) the night before cured that fading.

[showdownhero]

Did fasted for years at 4AM, sometimes with just a coffee and banana in my system - even that wasn't optimal as I'd still fade towards the end. A carb dessert (Oats) the night before cured that fading.

As I said in the other thread, optimal training and nutrition is specific to the individual.

There would be someone out there training the house down at 4am with nothing but a banana and coffee in their system. You have no way of proving that style of training and nutrition isn't optimal for anyone else but yourself.

[Stiff 2G]

The assumption is training for hypertrophy or strength - hitting high points (PBs) then building. If your fading you can be doing better (greater high points).

I guess Bro splits prolly allow fasted training's a bit more.

[Shrek]

I don’t like training fasted, but I don’t like full stomach either.
3-4 hrs before last meal is good.

[showdownhero]

The assumption is training for hypertrophy or strength - hitting high points (PBs) then building. If your fading you can be doing better (greater high points).

I guess Bro splits prolly allow fasted training's a bit more.

How many people want to go on a dreamer bulk with hypertrophy and strength being the goals to the exclusion of all others and how many people want to get more muscular and stronger whilst retaining some semblance of aesthetics?

If your training wholly and solely for strength and hypertrophy then carbs and fed training sessions are probably most optimal. If you're trying to strike a balance between strength, hypertrophy and aesthetics then fasted training a low carb might be more optimal.

[Stiff 2G]

How many people want to go on a dreamer bulk with hypertrophy and strength being the goals to the exclusion of all others and how many people want to get more muscular and stronger whilst retaining some semblance of aesthetics?

If your training wholly and solely for strength and hypertrophy then carbs and fed training sessions are probably most optimal. If you're trying to strike a balance between strength, hypertrophy and aesthetics then fasted training a low carb might be more optimal.

Agree.

[janiczak]

There have been a lot of studies on this recently. Some studies have shown benefits for fasted training. There may be a reduced level of performance within the session, but it might improve endurance.