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    Agree with all that
    but my q is
    does it make a difference if do both close and narrow as pull downs in the vertical plane rather than rowing in the horizontal plane?
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    So your asking if you should?
    Pull wide and narrow?
    Row wide and narrow?
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    A wide grip literally prevents much in the way of stretching and limits the ROM.

    if those two requirements are important to you as they should be then youíve turned a very productive exercise into a very poor exercise.
    the total Rom 180 to 45 degrees of rotation around the axis of the shoulder.

    so thereís also no full contraction or full extension of the involved muscles.

    240 degrees of the shoulder in the Machine pullover is rotating resistance the resistance is applied throughout the whole rom and automatically varies, so you can see the difference
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    But with the chin-up and row, the two exercises have emphasis on different muscle groups, so you should do them both.
    finding the optimal grip spacing is achieved by placing the hands in the so called contracted position of the movement.


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    What about grip?

    Pull downs or chins.
    Pronated, supinated, neutral (hammer grip)???

    Rows,
    Overhand, underhand, palms facing each other?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrek View Post
    So your asking if you should?
    Pull wide and narrow?
    Row wide and narrow?
    1. no fuken, not asking if I should, I do
    2. no, not asking if wide and narrow, doing both
    3. ??? dunno how you understood the to be my question

    Iíll ask again in English fuken.

    Do rows and pull downs (using whatever attachment) work the same muscles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goosey View Post
    A wide grip literally prevents much in the way of stretching and limits the ROM.

    if those two requirements are important to you as they should be then youíve turned a very productive exercise into a very poor exercise.
    the total Rom 180 to 45 degrees of rotation around the axis of the shoulder.

    so thereís also no full contraction or full extension of the involved muscles.

    240 degrees of the shoulder in the Machine pullover is rotating resistance the resistance is applied throughout the whole rom and automatically varies, so you can see the difference
    do you have a simpler/ shorter cut of this so dumb Kunce like me get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grunta View Post
    1. no fuken, not asking if I should, I do
    2. no, not asking if wide and narrow, doing both
    3. ??? dunno how you understood the to be my question

    Iíll ask again in English fuken.

    Do rows and pull downs (using whatever attachment) work the same muscles?
    Simple answer

    No, however all the muscles in the back are playing a role, but the row emphasis the muscle that control the shoulders, the neck and anything and everything between the shoulder blades.

    the pull down down right places an emphasis on the lats as in the lats are doing most of the mechanical work.
    the biceps are rooted well before the lats get even a little tired.

    the machine pullover builds thickness in the lats very quickly


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    I think if you want good lat development, do both rows and pulldowns



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    And pullovers.

    2 arm DB is my style.
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