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    We all like to refer to Studies when debating issues, but "red neck right wing Radio" (Macquarie News) had some "educated dude" on during the Week who said that most "Peer reviewed Studies" aren't really reliable due to Peer Review only meaning some Mate with a Degree had basically proof read the Study, NOT tested the assumptions and findings!!!!!!!!

    I hope this isn't correct.
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    Bro Science for the win


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stiffy View Post
    We all like to refer to Studies when debating issues, but "red neck right wing Radio" (Macquarie News) had some "educated dude" on during the Week who said that most "Peer reviewed Studies" aren't really reliable due to Peer Review only meaning some Mate with a Degree had basically proof read the Study, NOT tested the assumptions and findings!!!!!!!!

    I hope this isn't correct.
    Yep thats about right.

    Here is the definition:

    'Peer review means that a board of scholarly reviewers in the subject area of the journal, review materials they publish for quality of research and adherence to editorial standards of the journal, before articles are accepted for publication.'

    A fancy way of saying a few of him mates had a look at it and thought it was cool.
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    No it's not correct, especially in terms of ground-breaking science.

    Yes you may get some biologically based articles that are pretty gay like some psychologically motivated red necks like their steak rare or some shit but not for things like Bose-Einstein condensate.
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    Lol. No not the case at all in the good journals.

    Poor quality journals can be started up and publish any old garbage. But then anyone actually doing proper research with half a brain knows which journals to ignore. They even have ratings for the quality them.


    Mick stick to commenting on what you actually understand and how science works isn't one.

    I like like how the bloke criticizing the peer review system used to post articles from mymommymedicime dot com to prove his poison grain theory. Lol.


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    Bit Rich coming from a man who makes an art form out of ignoring facts for the sake of arguing that the shy is actually green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mick View Post
    Bit Rich coming from a man who makes an art form out of ignoring facts for the sake of arguing that the shy is actually green.
    Please quote where I have ignored facts or said the sky is green.

    In any case it's pretty funny you claiming I ignore facts in a thread were you post about the peer review process with zero knowledge on how it works.


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    This dude is some University Professor or something who was saying a "Red Team versus Blue Team" (an adversarial) approach to reviewing Studies is needed due to all the garbage Studies out there.

    Remember, this Dude was on 2GB on that Dickhead Chris Smith's show and declaring why a lot of Global Warming studies are wrong.

    When I was at Uni Peer Reviewed was promoted as Gospel almost. Guess who by lol.
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    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/life...02-gxnsxk.html

    This is interesting.

    A 'switch' in the brain tells the body to burn or store fat after eating

    In a "quite remarkable" new study, researchers from Monash University have found a "switch" that tells the body to either burn or store fat after we have eaten.
    Researchers have known for some time that there are two types of fat: white fat, which stores energy, and mitochondria-packed brown fat, which burns energy. It is also known that white fat can convert to a brown-like state and adults with more brown fat are typically leaner.



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    A 'switch' in our brain has been found to determine what the body does with energy from food. Photo: Stocksy What researchers have not understood is the physiological context in which that process occurs.
    In the new study, published in Cell Metabolism, researchers showed that after eating a meal, the brain in mice responds by promoting the browning of fat to burn the energy. After fasting however, the brain responds by signalling to the body to store the fat. The process is designed to prevent excess weight gain or weight loss, maintaining what is known as energy homeostasis.
    "What we've shown is that it is critical in terms of coordinating energy expenditure response to feeding and fasting," said lead researcher Professor Tony Tiganis from the the Metabolic Disease and Obesity Program at Monash. "Feeding promotes the conversion of white fat to brown fat – to expend energy – and fasting converts it back into white fat to store energy.
    "In obese mice, this switch in the brain that allows energy to be expended in response to feeding is broken. The switch stays on all the time, which means you're repressing brown all the time."
    Tiganis said they still need to investigate what causes the switch to break, but says it "potentially" sheds light on why some people respond to the same diet differently.
    He believes that whether the mechanism works or not is "probably multi-factorial".
    "We've shown that in response to a fast the stress hormone – cortisol in humans – is involved with turning the switch on to suppress browning and promote energy storage, so elevated levels of stress hormone may contribute to the repression of browning," Tiganis explained.
    He adds that for mice on a regular or high-fat diet, the "switch" stopped working when the mice put on weight and became obese.
    "What we do know is that if we correct the switch, while the mice continue to eat a high-fat diet, they start to lose weight because they're turning on browning and expending energy, which I think is quite remarkable – the therapeutic potential of this approach," Tiganis said.
    While translating the findings to treatments for humans is at least 10 years off, such research helps to unravel a complex problem; an epidemic of obesity that affects more than 60 per cent of Australian adults and is implicated in many diseases including cardiovascular disease, Type 2 diabetes, liver disease and several cancers.
    "In humans there is a link between if you overeat you burn more energy, and if you fast you burn less energy, that's why fasting per se doesn't really work in a diet because you eat less but you burn less as well," Tiganis said. "That fundamental mechanism that we have shown is regulated by the brain in response to the hormone insulin and it's orchestrated by this white/brown phenomenon. So the potential of what we've discovered in mice is pertinent to humans."
    As researchers continue to understand the mechanisms that operate to control body weight, he says humans still need to focus on the basics.
    "You need to exercise and you need to limit food intake. It's a balance and if you exceed the ability of this brown to expenditure you will put on weight," Tiganis said.
    But we also need to appreciate that these are not the only factors influencing our weight.
    "Obesity is a lot more complex than people just overeating and not exercising, the mechanisms that normally operate and should maintain our bodyweight go awry and contribute to weight gain and the overall obesity epidemic," he explained. "We should be focusing on understanding how this homeostasis mechanism normally operates in order to come up with drugs and approaches to treat obesity."
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    Written for people who are fat but are convinced that there is a magic pill or "switch" they can throw to solve all their problems. But not today, as it's pizza night, so maybe tomorrow, but its the weekend so will start on Monday, or when they get back from holiday..... next month.
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