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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mick View Post
    You missed my point I think, crunch some numbers and see how much protein you would actually consume in a day, it would well exceed .8 of a gram without any additional protein shakes



    Read my reply to your first question.



    But your statement confuses what average is, a 100kg male is not average so would not be consuming an average amount of carbs. According to surveys the average Australian male is somewhere around the 85kg mark, so I would guess the 130g of carbs you refer to in your question would relate to the 85kg male.

    But you must also consider that carbs are not essential, there is no such thing as essential carbs, there is no carb requirement that you must consume for a healthy lifestyle, you can happily exist with no carbs, the same can't be said for protein or fats though.

    Personally I don't generally monitor my carb intake, I try and keep carbs as low as possible but I am not anal about not eating carbs, I normally don't consume large amounts of carbs though. I generally do not eat bread or only do so rarely may be the odd sandwich when I am am out and about. The $2.50 Bunnings sausage sandwich two Sundays ago was the last time I had bread, it's not something I eat on a daily basis as part of my normal diet, I will have rice when the meal I am having requires it (had curry last night so I had rice).




    You need to compare apples with apples, you are confusing yourself on the term average. Eating is not that difficult, have your daily protein intake and fat intake and then eat the rest of your calories with whatever you like, Most people easily meed their protein demands as outlines earlier, if you eat 300 grams of meat/fish etc and a few veggies you are covered especially if you don't weigh 100kg. 300g is not a lot.



    Most definitely not required, I know people use dextrose to spike insulin and there are other specific reasons for doing so which are part of a whole 'system' of eating (carb back loading etc) which is fine if that is what they are following (I tried it a while back and it does appear to have some benefits) but I doubt there is a need for the avaerage trainer eating normally to 'supplement' with dextrose as they are having a dextrose deficiency.
    That's not my point at all. It's that 0.8g/kg isn't enough to promote muscle growth. You need double or more, which ends up at the 1.5-2g mark again.

    I only eat 2 meals per day and supplement 50g of protein via powder. I don't eat 300g of meat for lunch and then again for dinner. Sure I could eat another meal or completely change what I eat but why? What I'm doing is working for me, so that's all I'm concerned about.

    If you're saying to make up the rest of your calories eating whatever you want, why can't you make it up with a shake? It's cheaper than buying a kilo of steak and a lot more convenient than buying a cheap cut of meat and cooking it for 8 hours.

    The 130g of carbs is across the board. Doesn't matter if you're a 40kg female or 100kg male, that's what they recommend. Nothing to do with 100kg supposedly being average.
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    Nothing satisfies my hunger like a piece of meat or a bowl of oats.

    when I was younger I could not eat enough food, playing sport and working out and growing demands food, it wasn't fun, a protien shake had no place in my diet back then.

    these days a protein shake now and again is handy, I've just got to watch the sugar content


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    Quote Originally Posted by White_Lie View Post
    That's not my point at all. It's that 0.8g/kg isn't enough to promote muscle growth. You need double or more, which ends up at the 1.5-2g mark again.

    I only eat 2 meals per day and supplement 50g of protein via powder. I don't eat 300g of meat for lunch and then again for dinner. Sure I could eat another meal or completely change what I eat but why? What I'm doing is working for me, so that's all I'm concerned about.

    If you're saying to make up the rest of your calories eating whatever you want, why can't you make it up with a shake? It's cheaper than buying a kilo of steak and a lot more convenient than buying a cheap cut of meat and cooking it for 8 hours.

    The 130g of carbs is across the board. Doesn't matter if you're a 40kg female or 100kg male, that's what they recommend. Nothing to do with 100kg supposedly being average.
    You need to read what was written and understand what is being said.

    You can make it up with a protein shake, no one said you can't and it was never suggested that you can't, what I am suggesting is that it's not necessary, You do not need to have aprotein shake just because you train with weights, I don't know how much you weigh or any of your personal eating habits but I would be willing to bet that you consume more than adequate amounts of protein without a shake and that the shake's only purpose is to make the seller rich and create extremely expensive excrement from you.

    If you feel like having a shake you can have it, but do it for the right reasons, not because you believe it provides you any gains or additional training related benefits that you would not otherwise have anyway.

    It would almost be impossible to eat your daily calories in a normally balanced diet of normal food (not living off cakes etc obviously) and not meet your calorie demands, like Bazza mentioned earlier even if he ate his whole daily calorie allowance in Helgas bread he would still be getting 160 grams of Protein daily.

    Have you ever tried not having a shake for 3 months, and then have it for three months? If yes what difference did you note?? I can tell you there is no difference apart from an extra couple of hundred bucks in your bank. I used to have shakes like they are going out of fashion, all it did was deplete my bank account and leave a bad taste in my mouth (literally) in most cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mick View Post



    But your statement confuses what average is, a 100kg male is not average so would not be consuming an average amount of carbs. According to surveys the average Australian male is somewhere around the 85kg mark, so I would guess the 130g of carbs you refer to in your question would relate to the 85kg male.

    But you must also consider that carbs are not essential, there is no such thing as essential carbs, there is no carb requirement that you must consume for a healthy lifestyle, you can happily exist with no carbs, the same can't be said for protein or fats though.

    Personally I don't generally monitor my carb intake, I try and keep carbs as low as possible but I am not anal about not eating carbs, I normally don't consume large amounts of carbs though. I generally do not eat bread or only do so rarely may be the odd sandwich when I am am out and about. The $2.50 Bunnings sausage sandwich two Sundays ago was the last time I had bread, it's not something I eat on a daily basis as part of my normal diet, I will have rice when the meal I am having requires it (had curry last night so I had rice).




    You need to compare apples with apples, you are confusing yourself on the term average. Eating is not that difficult, have your daily protein intake and fat intake and then eat the rest of your calories with whatever you like, Most people easily meed their protein demands as outlines earlier, if you eat 300 grams of meat/fish etc and a few veggies you are covered especially if you don't weigh 100kg. 300g is not a lot.



    Most definitely not required, I know people use dextrose to spike insulin and there are other specific reasons for doing so which are part of a whole 'system' of eating (carb back loading etc) which is fine if that is what they are following (I tried it a while back and it does appear to have some benefits) but I doubt there is a need for the avaerage trainer eating normally to 'supplement' with dextrose as they are having a dextrose deficiency.
    Personally I know I can't happily exist without carbs. I've seen plenty of dietitians and coaches say the same. Many people don't run well on low carb especially the more active people.


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    I don't either. Cranky/moody and just flat feeling like I CBF doing anything or don't have the energy to do anything.

    They may not be essential for a normal human to stay alive but like protein, the needs differ when you are training
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    well if you were an athlete needing 6,000+ calories per day, i say good luck without carbs to fuel high energy needs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza20 View Post
    Personally I know I can't happily exist without carbs. I've seen plenty of dietitians and coaches say the same. Many people don't run well on low carb especially the more active people.
    You know your body best, if you like a certain amount of carbs there is nothing stopping you from consuming them, but I doubt you would have to resort to adding dextrose to shakes to meet your daily carb allocation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by White_Lie View Post
    I don't either. Cranky/moody and just flat feeling like I CBF doing anything or don't have the energy to do anything.

    They may not be essential for a normal human to stay alive but like protein, the needs differ when you are training
    Some people need carbs or think they need carbs, there is no carb need for training, people are addicted to carbs just like they are addicted to coffee and pre workout drinks and cigarettes etc, that addiction is caused by insulin, eat carbs get a spike once spike goes away people crave more carbs to get another spike, just like junkies need another hit of drugs.

    I find I feel better and function better the less carbs I have, mind is clearer, feel more energised, and definitely have more spring in my step.

    If I eat a carb heavy meal like pasta or a lot of bread or rice or eat cake doughnuts etc I feel lethargic and like crap, all I want to do is lay around and go to sleep, I always seem to fall back into the trap, going good, and I will get sucked into having a couple of Krispy Creme Doughnuts or similar as everyone around me is having them, or a plate of Lasagna at a party of something and I instantly feel like crap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spartacus View Post
    well if you were an athlete needing 6,000+ calories per day, i say good luck without carbs to fuel high energy needs.
    If I was a fish I could breathe under water, not really relevant though, I doubt too many people, even gym rates require 6000 plus calories a day.
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    you could get calories from fat, but ho much nuts and olive oil can one consume. i think there is a reason why tour of france riders eat lots of carbs. some studies also show that higher carbs is better for actual competition wen power is required, although not much difference for moderate training.

    I now eat about a third of calories from fat.
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