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    Do you take them??

    If yes which ones, if no why not??

    Any research or opinions of why and why not.

    I currently take Cenovis Men's Multi Performance.

    Why?? Just in case, I do miss it often and will go without taking it for a while.

    Don't notice any difference if I take it and don't take it, so not sure if there is any real benefits to it.
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    Used to, haven't for a long time and can't say I notice any difference.
    Usually just have magnesium, no real need for anything else
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    Generally only take them when I am starting to feel sick. Does it make a difference? Honeslty no idea, could just be a placebo effect. ON is what I have at the moment
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    If you think you are deficient go to the doc and get a blood test and take the vitamin you are deficient in rather than taking a heap of random shit for no reason.

    As for the research there was a large observational study done with something like 20+ thousand people and the people taking multi vitamins had a higer death rate. Now this does not mean multi vitamins are causing more people to die but it doesn't look good for the benifits of taking a multi vitamin for no reason.

    The other problem is people think vitamins are harmless, they are still a chemical that can have side effects on the body. There was a cancer treatment trial with vitamin e from memory. The trial was pulled because the vitamin e was causing massive increases in cancer.

    Also some tableted vitamins don't end up having the same benifical effects that vitamins from food do. Eg eating a diet high in antioxidant vitamins can prevent cancer. Taking tablets high in antioxidant vitamins seems to have zero to negative effects on cancer prevention.

    remeber the suppliment industry unlike the drug industry is unregulated. They can sell vitamin and mineral tablets without safety testing. It's only when people start dying do the get looked at for safety.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mick View Post
    I currently take Cenovis Men's Multi Performance.

    Why?? Just in case, I do miss it often and will go without taking it for a while.

    Don't notice any difference if I take it and don't take it, so not sure if there is any real benefits to it.
    It's that attitude the whole reason you're anti supplements? Doing something for no reason other than "just in case".

    Most vitamins are water soluble, so you can't really overdose on them if you don't need them. I think the research is showing that the vitamin gel casing can cause problems though if you take too many.

    I only take what I know I'm deficient in or I see a direct benefit from. I don't take multis as if you need them, you've got a shit diet. The basic meat and veg in your diet should cover the minute dosages in the multis.
    - Vitamin D - Unless you live near the equator, you're deficient in this. Low Vitamin D can lower testosterone.
    - Vitamin C - Good for the immune system, especially if you train regularly and your body is in a state of stress daily. I very rarely get sick since taking this. Maybe a mild runny nose once a year.
    - Vitamin B12 (sometimes) - I only really take this when dieting. It helps with gut health/enzymes, which are upset easily when on a low calorie diet or taking a lot of caffeine/stimulants. It definitely helps an upset stomach when needed.
    - Magnesium - Good for preventing cramps when training regularly. When I stop taking it, I do get cramps from time to time.
    - Fish oil - I know some people say is does nothing and doesn't directly lubricate joins, but I never get joint pain until I stop taking it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveP View Post
    It's that attitude the whole reason you're anti supplements? Doing something for no reason other than "just in case".
    Who ever said I am anti supplement??

    I am anti useless. I know you are a supplement fan boy and blindly lap up what is written on the glossy label, but you need to look past that and understand what you are taking and why.

    For example a tub of BCAA's can cost up to $100 or more, yet does absolutely nothing, zero, nada as I already have all the BCAA's I need and more from just the food I eat. I have gone through a few kilos of BCAA's in my time and has not made an iota of difference, have tried EEA's no difference again as everyone who eats their fill of protein has more than enough.

    You will find that if you actually look into what you are taking that it does nothing as you are already consuming enough of what ever you are taking.

    As a matter of fact you will find that once you stop taking all that crap you actually feel better and have a few hundred $$ more to spend on other things.

    Marketing will tell you to buy BCAA"S and pre workouts, switching your own brain on and looking at it you will (should?)see how ridiculous it is, with all the protein you eat any additional BCAA'S are probably and most likely doing you more harm that good, by putting additional strain on your organs, processing these out of balance amino acids/chemicals that you already have an excess of needing to be processed and eliminated/excreted from your body.

    Easiest way to explain it you have a 20 litre jerry can and you insist on filling it with 30 litres of fuel as it will get you further whilst ignoring the 10 litres getting spilled on the ground.

    I never said I am anti supplement, if you have had blood tests and the doctor tells you that you have a shortage of BCCA's or anything else I would suggest may be using a supplement, otherwise, you are just trying to self medicate blindly, putting stuff into your body without rime or reason.

    So no I am not anti supplement I am anti taking stuff you very well know you already have an excess of, with your diet for example any BCAA's you take just get pissed out putting extra load on your kidneys and liver or where ever they get processed.

    The only reason I consider multivitamin/mineral (which are a supplement by the way) is because I am pretty certain that I do not get every single vitamin/mineral every single day from my diet. But I am not 100% certain these days that I need every single mineral and vitamin every day, and that the occasional dose may be enough.

    Hence the discussion thread here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza20 View Post
    If you think you are deficient go to the doc and get a blood test and take the vitamin you are deficient in rather than taking a heap of random shit for no reason.

    As for the research there was a large observational study done with something like 20+ thousand people and the people taking multi vitamins had a higer death rate. Now this does not mean multi vitamins are causing more people to die but it doesn't look good for the benifits of taking a multi vitamin for no reason.

    The other problem is people think vitamins are harmless, they are still a chemical that can have side effects on the body. There was a cancer treatment trial with vitamin e from memory. The trial was pulled because the vitamin e was causing massive increases in cancer.

    Also some tableted vitamins don't end up having the same benifical effects that vitamins from food do. Eg eating a diet high in antioxidant vitamins can prevent cancer. Taking tablets high in antioxidant vitamins seems to have zero to negative effects on cancer prevention.

    remeber the suppliment industry unlike the drug industry is unregulated. They can sell vitamin and mineral tablets without safety testing. It's only when people start dying do the get looked at for safety.
    I hate to admit it but I tend to agree with pretty much all of this.

    I would even suggest to take it a step further and if you are found deficient of a vitamin to include additional food containing that vitamin in your diet, rather than a supplement, I am starting to believe that it's not only the individual vitamin, but the natural combination of enzymes/minerals/vitamins found in a whole food that is important.

    And I think this is why people actually feel better and make better gains when they take no supplements but just eat a balanced diet of foods that are beneficial towards their goals rather than use supplements and feed the body on crap, which a lot of 'body builders' tend to do.

    The more I think about it and the more I look into it the less reason I can see why you need to take vitamins.
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    I never get why people say "I hate to admit it" or " I hate to agree" when they agree with something certain people say. Shows weak character when people take things so personally that they don't want to agree with something just because of who posted it. They can't separate emotion from the statements posted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mick View Post
    Who ever said I am anti supplement??
    I am anti useless. I know you are a supplement fan boy and blindly lap up what is written on the glossy label, but you need to look past that and understand what you are taking and why.
    You read my training log, what in there makes me a supplement fan boy? Some protein powder in my yoghurt or a BCAA blend with electrolytes mid workout? If you want to get down to what we really need, you should be drinking nothing but water (no coffee, diet/regular soft drinks, milk, juice, etc). No sauces on your food, no extra salt or pepper on anything. Everything should be steamed or boiled and not cooked with oil.

    Why does everything have to always be one extreme or the other? Eat/drink whatever benefits you and helps you get towards your goal. If BCAAs and WPI gets you closer to your protein macro, go for it. If a BCAA flavoured drink is a good alternative to a bottle or sugar filled Gatorade, go with that option. And guess what, you can still eat real food and drink whatever you like. As a rational living creature we have the ability to pick and chose what works for us. A shocking concept, I know.


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    Who is adding tommy sauce or pepper as a supplement to improve performance or health. Lol.

    We are talking supplements that have claimed health and performance benefits not condiments.


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