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    [QUOTE=steveP;705606]You read my training log, what in there makes me a supplement fan boy?


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    --- Food ---------------------------------------- Calories ----- Fats ----- Protein ----- Carbs

    BREAKFAST (7am)
    Omelette - No Carbs (4 egg whites, 1 egg,
    20g feta cheese). ------------------------------- 204 ---------- 50% ------ 49% --------- 1%
    OR
    Yoghurt - No Carbs (170g low fat yoghurt,
    30g WPC/WPI protein). --------------------------- 217 ----------- 4% ------ 78% --------- 18%

    MID MORNING (11am)
    30g WPC/WPI protein. 5g instant coffee. --------- 115 ---------- 7% ------- 84% --------- 9%

    LUNCH (2pm)
    40g cashews. ------------------------------------ 254 ---------- 73% ------ 11% --------- 17%
    OR
    40g almonds. ------------------------------------ 238 ---------- 74% ------ 13% --------- 13%
    OR
    1 Quest bar. ------------------------------------ 211 ---------- 35% ------ 31% --------- 33%

    PRE WORKOUT (5pm)
    6 rice cakes. ----------------------------------- 180 ---------- 21% ------ 7% ---------- 72%

    10g pre workout & BCAAs. ------------------------ 34 ----------- 1% ------- 13% --------- 86%

    POST WORKOUT (6:30pm)
    30g WPC/WPI protein. 30g dextrose.
    5g creatine.
    ------------------------------------ 255 ---------- 3% ------- 45% --------- 51%

    DINNER (8pm)
    Kale Shake (100g kale, 50g spinach,
    25g celery, 25g Lebanese cucumber,
    10g garlic, 10g ginger). ------------------------ 84 ----------- 13% ------ 26% --------- 61%

    300g chicken breast. ---------------------------- 495 ---------- 21% ------ 79% --------- 0%
    OR
    275g rump beef. --------------------------------- 487 ---------- 28% ------ 72% --------- 0%
    OR
    250g salmon. ------------------------------------ 505 ---------- 59% ------ 41% --------- 0%
    OR
    Omelette (4 egg whites, 2 eggs,
    100g of smoked salmon, 40g feta cheese). -------- 487 ---------- 53% ------ 46% --------- 1%

    BEFORE BED (10pm)
    10g Metamucil. ---------------------------------- 34 ----------- 0% ------- 0% ---------- 100%


    TOTAL (Target based on 72.5kg: f*0.6, p*2.7, c*1.5) ---------- (43.5g) ----- (195.7g) ----- (108.7g)

    Average ----------------------------------------- 1649 - 26% (46.8g) - 47% (192.6g) - 27% (109.4g) - Fibre 16.5g

    Highlighted some for you, not counting the fat burners and other rubbish you talk about taking.


    Quote Originally Posted by steveP View Post
    If you want to get down to what we really need, you should be drinking nothing but water (no coffee, diet/regular soft drinks, milk, juice, etc). No sauces on your food, no extra salt or pepper on anything. Everything should be steamed or boiled and not cooked with oil.
    Why?? This is the problem right here.

    Why not just eat normal food that helps you achieve your goals, I have been through this before with you. What is wrong with steak and salad vegies, stir fries, BBQ'd meats marinated in various marinades etc etc, the choices are endless. Good food does not have to taste like cardboard.

    You eat rubbish like quest bars and rice cakes, seriously who the fuck eats rice cakes and why, would love to know what benefit they have, yet you throw out the best part of the egg, the part that has all the nutrients that will help your muscles to grow the part that tastes the best the part that helps your hormone levels to remain elevated when you make omelettes?? Makes no sense when you actually think about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mick View Post

    You eat rubbish like quest bars and rice cakes, seriously who the fuck eats rice cakes and why, would love to know what benefit they have, yet you throw out the best part of the egg, the part that has all the nutrients that will help your muscles to grow the part that tastes the best the part that helps your hormone levels to remain elevated when you make omelettes?? Makes no sense when you actually think about it
    I concur with this

    And I'm glad to admit it



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    I think the argument is
    "Whether they do aything" as opposed to "Whether you chose to or not"?

    The question will remain unresolved more than likely.
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    Dr Kenneth Cooper (who made aerobics popular) in the mid eighties noticed that marathon runners are mostly not well, and noted a high cancer rate....

    there red is a lot more to it but. Digress.

    he thought it was due to the immune system being low and oxidization of the cells, the prime cause.

    the antioxidant revolution was born 10 years later he again about faced and said the it was in fact due (in extreme cases) to mostly bought on by overuse, (stress) the bodies inability to function as it should, no amount of supplements can fix this.


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    Are we talking vitamins and minerals or supplements in general now.
    Bodybuilding supps (some) do have scientific backing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Mick View Post
    Why not just eat normal food that helps you achieve your goals, I have been through this before with you. What is wrong with steak and salad vegies, stir fries, BBQ'd meats marinated in various marinades etc etc, the choices are endless. Good food does not have to taste like cardboard.

    You eat rubbish like quest bars and rice cakes, seriously who the fuck eats rice cakes and why, would love to know what benefit they have, yet you throw out the best part of the egg, the part that has all the nutrients that will help your muscles to grow the part that tastes the best the part that helps your hormone levels to remain elevated when you make omelettes?? Makes no sense when you actually think about it
    I do eat normal food. That's the point you glossed over. Why one extreme or the other? You seem to think people either live off sups or they have to banned. 4/5 of what I consume is regular raw food that I cook.

    I use sups where convenient. So your example of a sup junkie is someone who takes some WPI, creatine and carbs? Bit of a newsflash, but they're closer to real food than you think.

    I take a protein shake to work as I prefer to sip on it than munching on steak (same macros).
    I use egg whites alongside regular eggs as it adds more volume for less calories.
    I eat rice cakes before training because I want a light carb source that isn't filling. I actually find it funny that you think rice cakes (a basic, raw food with plenty of fibre) is rubbish, then go on to say eat more real food.

    I think this is why you get into so many arguments on here. You have all these strong held opinions based on no research or experience. The foods I eat and the minimal sups are very standard in diets of people who train. You seem like a bit of a beginner not knowing that.


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    I'm pretty sure the thread title is Multi Vitamin discussion



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    Quote Originally Posted by Shrek View Post
    Are we talking vitamins and minerals or supplements in general now.
    Bodybuilding supps (some) do have scientific backing.
    I think we need to go beyond that to understand that no amount of vitamin, mineral, enzyme, stimulant, Protien... "supplement" will do fuck all if these things aren't addressed;

    * diet
    * not working hard enough in the gym
    * sleep
    * too much activity
    * a tranquil mind


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazza20 View Post
    If you think you are deficient go to the doc and get a blood test and take the vitamin you are deficient in rather than taking a heap of random shit for no reason.

    As for the research there was a large observational study done with something like 20+ thousand people and the people taking multi vitamins had a higer death rate. Now this does not mean multi vitamins are causing more people to die but it doesn't look good for the benifits of taking a multi vitamin for no reason.

    The other problem is people think vitamins are harmless, they are still a chemical that can have side effects on the body. There was a cancer treatment trial with vitamin e from memory. The trial was pulled because the vitamin e was causing massive increases in cancer.

    Also some tableted vitamins don't end up having the same benifical effects that vitamins from food do. Eg eating a diet high in antioxidant vitamins can prevent cancer. Taking tablets high in antioxidant vitamins seems to have zero to negative effects on cancer prevention.

    remeber the suppliment industry unlike the drug industry is unregulated. They can sell vitamin and mineral tablets without safety testing. It's only when people start dying do the get looked at for safety.
    I think I'd like to clarify this by stating that if you need to go to the GP to find out whether you are deficient in a vitamin is a tad silly, you go to a GP WHEN YOU ARE NOT WELL, he will decide whether you are deficient in something, more often than not its not a vitamin, more so a bad diet in general.

    fuck, if bodybuilders aren't adding muscle or their tired all the time, there is either something wrong with their regimen or overall diet, usually too many poptarts, sugary drinks and not enough real food.


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