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    i believe you have very low test levels yet have no issues?





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    Quote Originally Posted by addwater View Post
    25 year old male sick of being tired. Trying to find an empathetic specialist. 25 year old Aussie here who could really do with some advice from anyone willing to offer wisdom.
    Take some magnesium. Watch this please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Walker View Post
    stfu what would you know about it? its easy as piss to get trt in the states, where most of the marketing is done.

    if its in range it means its not abnormal. having lower test than another man does not indicate some medical condition.
    This is Australia not the US
    I can see why you're on medication



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    and all the stuff he will be reading will have originated in the US. how stupid are you?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fadi View Post
    Take some magnesium. Watch this please.

    I actually just started taking a supplement daily.

    Thank you.


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    I'm not sure if anyone here is interested, but as an actual doctor I thought I could add at least a bit of perspective.

    Testosterone levels wildly fluctuate throughout the day - one of the reasons most guidelines for testing will not accept a 'low' result unless it is repeated and reproducible at another time. The range is therefore a range mostly for that reason, not that they are grouping the old and young excessively together.

    Conversely, unnecessarily supplementing with testosterone has a range of health risks, including prostate cancer. It's not as simple as just 'topping up'. There is a definite role for trying to leave the body do its thing as much as possible! Too much is equally bad as too little.

    I agree with other posters that the described symptoms from @addwater are non-specific, and if I wanted to I'm sure I could cram them into multiple different possible diseases. Depression and other psychiatric disease could certainly explain things, as could almost any endocrine or a variety of neurological conditions (my area).

    That's part of the reason doctors exist - because it is recognised that symptoms are broad and it takes a significant amount of practice to group them into sensible conclusions. That's also the reason it's considered unethical for doctors to treat themselves or close friends/family - there's a conflict and it makes it impossible to be impartial. It's too easy to be blinded by your own prejudices or hopes (ie. "I hope this is something easily treatable, therefore it is this very treatable condition x").

    I hazard that people would like their issues to be explained by low testosterone, or low magnesium, or low thyroid, or high gluten/insert-another-fad-here, because that means all you have to do is fix that simple issue (ie. take substance x, or remove substance y) and you're good. It's much easier and more comforting than the more realistic realisation that the human body is complex and sometimes there aren't easy fixes.

    At the end of the day people need to do whatever they can to be and feel well. If that means taking an expensive placebo, that's fine if that's within your means; and all the better if it's a cheap one. But it's not a great plan to make your own diagnosis and then see doctor after doctor until one of them agrees with you. It doesn't mean the diagnosis is right, and it's best to not neglect any possibility, no matter how challenging that may be to treat.

    Find a good GP who listens to you and then develop the trust that they will find the right specialist when you need. But also develop the trust that you know when your doctor is trying to avoid you heading down the wrong path. I hope this helps someone.


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    Good stuff doc.
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