Milk - superfood or poison

Goosey · Jan 21, 2016

Darkoz said:
Big Micky has liver tablets soaked in bourbon for breakfast
Now don't axk him why cause he just does right
He eats it out on his porch so he can admire his Samson boat anchors and his big arse wrist watch

I wuv it

Stiffy · Jan 21, 2016

White_Lie said:
FFS I'm going to ban you from starting threads soon el floppo

Ps GOMAD or die!

Haha. Already been receiving suggestions for new threads via PM. You'd be shocked from whom lol.

P.S. My lips are sealed.

Goosey · Jan 21, 2016

I like my milk unhomoganized don't tell me there is no benefit you fuckin Dairy Queen

Bazza20 · Jan 21, 2016

Sir El Stiffy said:
Haha. Already been receiving suggestions for new threads via PM. You'd be shocked from whom lol.

P.S. My lips are sealed.

Why don't those kunts start it themselves.

Goosey · Jan 21, 2016

Bazza20 said:
Why don't those kunts start it themselves.

That'd be refreshing

Darkoz · Jan 21, 2016

Pussies

Stiffy · Jan 21, 2016

Goosey said:
That'd be refreshing

I don't think I've had an unsuccessful thread for months even years. I just like to see knowledgeable people exchanging ideas.

onslaught · Jan 21, 2016

Troll threads are lame.

Goosey · Jan 21, 2016

Sir El Stiffy said:
I don't think I've had an unsuccessful thread for months even years. I just like to see knowledgeable people exchanging ideas.

Counts me out

Stiffy · Jan 21, 2016

Fark. Milk is obviously a topic people are interested in. This thread will hit over 1000 hits in 24 hours!

Darkoz · Jan 21, 2016

You have a problem me thinks El Halfmast

Stiffy · Jan 21, 2016

Darkoz said:
You have a problem me thinks El Halfmast

Shutup Darknutz

Goosey · Jan 21, 2016

Fuckin bam!

Fadi · Jan 21, 2016

Sir El Stiffy said:
So Almond and Coconut Milk is a better alternative???

No, I find home made yogurt to be a better alternative...made from full cream lactose free UHT milk (if you're lactose intolerant).

Shrek · Jan 21, 2016

Sir El Stiffy said:
Haha. Already been receiving suggestions for new threads via PM. You'd be shocked from whom lol.

P.S. My lips are sealed.

Me, you stiff kunt. ?
Only because I don't want to be seen as a shit stirrer. ????

Darkoz · Jan 21, 2016

Sir El Stiffy said:
Shutup Darknutz

Rightio El Shrinky

showdownhero · Jan 21, 2016

Bazza20 said:
Keep this shortish because I know it's a troll but it's still fun.

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Pasturizing is heating milk to 70c for 15 seconds. A lot less than we cook other foods. So feel free to eat everything raw if that's what you are worried about.
Baby calves even grow better on pasteurized milk.

Pasteurisation renders the calcium insoluble and not digestible. Without calcium milk should be filed in the soft drink aisle

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toxic fat, evidence please. Simply not true.

homogenised bovine milk contains the enzyme xanthine oxidase. This is not disputed by anyone

re: Toxicity please see below

http://circres.ahajournals.org/content/86/5/494.short
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/107/10/1383.short

"The present study represents the first electron spin resonance measurements of xanthine and NAD(P)H oxidase activity in human coronary arteries and supports the concept that increased activities of both enzymes contribute to increased vascular oxidant stress in patients with CAD. Furthermore, the present study suggests that increased xanthine oxidase activity contributes to endothelial dysfunction in patients with CAD and may thereby promote the atherosclerotic process."

"They have also been linked to hypertension and to pathological states associated with uncontrolled growth and inflammation, such as atherosclerosis."

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low fat milk isn't denatured. We add and remove things from food all the time.

I try to eat things as naturally as possible, the further something is from it's natural state the worse it is for you... generally speaking

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Who says cows are meant to eat grass? cows have bred alongside there current diet which included grasses, grains, legumes, brassicas ect. Grains are a part of grass anyway.

The pig study was done by a group of anti GMO campaigners in a journal set up by anti GMO campaigners and they omitted plenty of data in their conclusion that didn't suit their agenda.

everyone

The only issue that raw milk avoids is being pasturized. So no benifit but a chance of getting sick. Awesome.

and homogenised

Shrek · Jan 21, 2016

[MENTION=6722]Bazza20[/MENTION]; What say you now?

showdownhero · Jan 21, 2016

Also

Bazza20 said:
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Acceptable levels of Antibotics are in the parts per billion level. You will detect all sorts of shit in any food down at that level.

I'd prefer shit in my food over antibiotics

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growth hormones not allowed for Aussie cows. US allows it but it's being phased out. Growth hormones allow cows to convert feed into milk more effiecently. So better for the environment but whatever.

There is more estrogen in a serve of broccoli than milk.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19217359

"Increased levels of estrogen metabolites (EM) are associated with cancers of the reproductive system. One potential dietary source of EM is milk. In this study, the absolute quantities of unconjugated (free) and unconjugated plus conjugated (total) EM were measured in a variety of commercial milks (whole, 2%, skim, and buttermilk). The results show that the milk products tested contain considerable levels of EM; however, the levels of unconjugated EM in skim milk were substantially lower than that observed in whole milk, 2% milk, and buttermilk. Whole milk contained the lowest overall levels of EM while buttermilk contained the highest. As anticipated, soy milk did not contain the mammalian EM measured using this method. The relatively high levels of catechol estrogens detected in milk products support the theory that milk consumption is a source of EM and their ingestion may have a dietary influence on cancer risk"

Bazza20 · Jan 22, 2016

showdownhero said:
Pasteurisation renders the calcium insoluble and not digestible. Without calcium milk should be filed in the soft drink aisle

Not true
From the FDA

Weeks and King (1985) showed no difference in calcium bioavailability among raw milk, homogenized HTST milk, and homogenized UHT milk in an animal study. Weanling rats were fed with the three types of milk for six to eight weeks and calcium from milk was their sole dietary calcium. Among rat groups consuming the three types of milk, there was no difference in intestinal absorption of calcium and no difference in calcium deposition in femur bone (Weeks and King, 1985). A similar conclusion was obtained in a human study using human milk. Williamson et al (1978) found no difference in the absorption and retention of calcium, phosphorous, and sodium between two groups of low birth-weight preterm infants who were fed human milk with and without heat treatment (63°C/30 min).

homogenised bovine milk contains the enzyme xanthine oxidase. This is not disputed by anyone

Before linking dangers of xanthine please make sure it can actually be absorbed from food
From The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition

A hypothesis has repeatedly been promoted that xanthine oxidase from homogenized bovine milk is absorbed intact, damaging cardiovascular tissue by depleting plasmalogens and initiating atherosclerotic changes that culminate in heart disease. In the light of recent experimental evidence, the present paper examines the validity of this hypothesis and associated claims. The evidence leads to the conclusion that 1) absorption of dietary xanthine oxidase has not been demonstrated; 2) a relationship between intakes of homogenized milk and levels of serum xanthine oxidase activity have not been established; 3) a direct role for xanthine oxidase in plasmalogen depletion has not been established; 4) neither liposome formation during homogenization of milk nor absorption of intact liposomes from the gastrointestinal tract has been demonstrated; and 5) data are lacking to support the claim that large doses of folic acid inhibit xanthine oxidase in vivo and/or are therapeutic in heart disease. Experimental evidence has failed to substantiate, and in many cases has refuted, the xanthine oxidase/plasmalogen depletion hypothesis.

I try to eat things as naturally as possible, the further something is from it's natural state the worse it is for you... generally speaking

Naturalistic Fallacy
Arsenic, cyanide and botulism are all natural. Enjoy

youll also have to do a lot better than just saying everyone says cows should be grass fed. In any case they are all fed grass anyway.

I'd prefer shit in my food over antibiotics

threshold levels are in ppb doesn't mean there is even that tiny amount in there. there are strict antibiotic withhold periods when used. The industry is significantly cutting back on antibiotic use. Enjoy your shit.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19217359

"Increased levels of estrogen metabolites (EM) are associated with cancers of the reproductive system. One potential dietary source of EM is milk. In this study, the absolute quantities of unconjugated (free) and unconjugated plus conjugated (total) EM were measured in a variety of commercial milks (whole, 2%, skim, and buttermilk). The results show that the milk products tested contain considerable levels of EM; however, the levels of unconjugated EM in skim milk were substantially lower than that observed in whole milk, 2% milk, and buttermilk. Whole milk contained the lowest overall levels of EM while buttermilk contained the highest. As anticipated, soy milk did not contain the mammalian EM measured using this method. The relatively high levels of catechol estrogens detected in milk products support the theory that milk consumption is a source of EM and their ingestion may have a dietary influence on cancer risk"

I can get to that later but at least link something that shows a direct link rather than a heap of assumptions strung together. its not proof.

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