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Hello a friend of mine asked me if he could do a GPC competition and then do a PA competition. Usually people go to GPC when they are banned from PA so my friends desire to compete in both was surprising to me.

Is there any issue for my friend to compete in GPC and then compete in PA competitions?
 
Usually people go to GPC when they are banned from PA

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If he does the GPC comp, then becomes a member of PA, then does a PA comp, that is fine.

But if he does the GPC comp while being a member of PA, he can be banned from PA.
 
If he does the GPC comp, then becomes a member of PA, then does a PA comp, that is fine.

But if he does the GPC comp while being a member of PA, he can be banned from PA.

He was a PA member last year and competed in a couple competitions but he had not renewed his membership this year. Does that still count?
 
He's probably not going to be welcomed back to PA with open arms, and isn't really meant to be training with lifters / coaches from other feds if he is a PA member IIRC. He should probably consider which path he wants to go down before deciding.
 
Does anyone know where the rule is regarding training and competing with banned IPF members?

I believe this is the rule that would apply to me friend.
 
There are no "rules" beyond not being able to compete in non PA or IPF events. You have similar rules in other sports, including bodybuilding, if you count that as a sport :O

As far as moving into PA from another fed, there is no issue. You aren't going to be "shunned" or anything like that.

You can be banned from PA for a period of time (usually 2 years) for failing a drug test but can compete again after that time is passed. Some individual members may give you the stinkeye after a suspension, but there is nothing official about banning you. This is also similar to other sports.

You can get a lifetime ban for multiple positive drug tests. Hello Ed Coan.

Anything suggested beyond the above is personal bias and shit stirring. e.g being coached by a non PA person or being a member of a "bad" gym.

Marcos from PTC often pops into comps and members will stop and chat as he is well known and he also knows PA members personally (Hi Marcos).

Oh. If you are a coach who is non PA, you can't coach at a comp as you have to be a registered PA member to coach at an event. You are even subject to drug tests at a comp, not that it would ever happen. This is the same in other sports and the olympics. But you can train, and be trained, by non PA coaches.

The good news is that if you are taking anabolics, you can compete without fear of drug testing or being banned..........



if you compete in GPC.
 
There are no "rules" beyond not being able to compete in non PA or IPF events. You have similar rules in other sports, including bodybuilding, if you count that as a sport :O

As far as moving into PA from another fed, there is no issue. You aren't going to be "shunned" or anything like that.

You can be banned from PA for a period of time (usually 2 years) for failing a drug test but can compete again after that time is passed. Some individual members may give you the stinkeye after a suspension, but there is nothing official about banning you. This is also similar to other sports.

You can get a lifetime ban for multiple positive drug tests. Hello Ed Coan.

Anything suggested beyond the above is personal bias and shit stirring. e.g being coached by a non PA person or being a member of a "bad" gym.

Marcos from PTC often pops into comps and members will stop and chat as he is well known and he also knows PA members personally (Hi Marcos).

Oh. If you are a coach who is non PA, you can't coach at a comp as you have to be a registered PA member to coach at an event. You are even subject to drug tests at a comp, not that it would ever happen. This is the same in other sports and the olympics. But you can train, and be trained, by non PA coaches.

The good news is that if you are taking anabolics, you can compete without fear of drug testing or being banned..........


if you compete in GPC.

I suppose it is a bit open to interpretation as to what is the definition of "participation in the activities of". From the PA regulations:

"Natural persons shall not be admitted as Members of P.A. if they also, at the time of their application for membership, maintain a membership of or participation in the activities of any powerlifting organisation which does not adhere to an Anti-Doping Policy substantially similar to the Anti-Doping Policy of P.A. Further, any person who is a Member of P.A. and,to the satisfaction of the Board, is found to have taken out a membership or participated as a lifter, coach or official in the activities of any powerlifting organisation which does not adhere to an Anti-Doping Policy substantially similar to the Anti-Doping Policy of P.A. maybe deemed by ruling of the Board to have forfeited their membership and that membership may be cancelled."

Ultimately I suppose it would be best to ask the Prez what his thoughts are.

I might be thinking of the non association rules laid down by WADA - that athletes from tested feds can't associate with anyone who's currently banned or is permanently banned for doping.
 
That would be referring to competing on the platform or assisting in a competition (e.g. acting as a ref/judge or platform loader or organiser) of a non tested fed. Turning up to watch would not be participating. No more than watching porno makes you a porn actor. Sorry bazza.

Personally, I think its kinda silly. Its not as if there are not enough PA comps every year, so no need to go looking for others. And if I want to go to the Arnold and watch Dan Green get all awesome 'n chit then thats my business. Even "Bob" went to Fitex and the Arnold.

Wasn't Lee Priest banned from one fed for competing in another? Or was it more than that?
 
So basically PA are saying that if you compete in a non tested event/organisation they are going to assume your a drug cheat and ban you from PA membership?

Bit rough
 
Personally I don't know why a PA lifter would lift at a gym affiliated to another fed, but whatever floats your boat.

No I couldn't see you getting in trouble for watching a comp, but does anyone go to comps that they're not involved with in some way to spectate?
 
Why wouldn't they lift in a non PA gym though?

Is there something special about 'PA gym's
I doubt it

Because chances are, you're using different type of equipment than what you would in a comp (like bendy deadlift bars, monolifts etc), and your coach can't coach you at a comp unless they're a PA member as well, nor are you going to be competing with the people that you train with.

There's nothing inherently special about PA gyms, but to my mind if you're wanting to train with other powerlifters, wouldn't you want to train with the ones you'd compete with, using the same sort of equipment as what you'd find in a comp?
 
Because chances are, you're using different type of equipment than what you would in a comp (like bendy deadlift bars, monolifts etc), and your coach can't coach you at a comp unless they're a PA member as well, nor are you going to be competing with the people that you train with.

There's nothing inherently special about PA gyms, but to my mind if you're wanting to train with other powerlifters, wouldn't you want to train with the ones you'd compete with, using the same sort of equipment as what you'd find in a comp?
I suppose. Good points though, especially the coaching side.

Coming into comp prep agreed would help to have that specific gear

Personally I'm just a floater so train at both a gym full of PA guys and also one with GPCers..
 
I don't know of any gyms that are PA only. A lot of PA lifters are members at my gym but most are bodybuilders or non PA lifters. Surprising number of boxers and olympic lifters too. A real mix.

The issue with equipment used by a fed is more of an issue for non PA lifters. PA don't use "cheaty" monolifts. GPC/CAPO/PTC lifters do. PA don't use "easier" whippy deadlift bars (e.g. Texas deadlift bar), but the "others" do. So PA lifters are more likely to have less of an issue finding equipment that they use in a comp.

I have always trained alone for the most part. If I wanted to train with someone who let me lift my head and heels and bounce the bar off my chest, Im pretty sure a gym bro would do that. Same for squatting shallow.

Oh snap.




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I wouldn't have thought there'd be too many GPC lifters at say MUWPC or Obsidian for example, even our little gym is PA or unaffiliated lifters only. I don't think anyone would have a problem with someone from another fed training there, as long as they were natty and not suspended / banned by ASADA.

Good point about lifters from other feds and specialised equipment.
 
I wouldn't have thought there'd be too many GPC lifters at say MUWPC or Obsidian for example, even our little gym is PA or unaffiliated lifters only. I don't think anyone would have a problem with someone from another fed training there, as long as they were natty and not suspended / banned by ASADA.

Good point about lifters from other feds and specialised equipment.

True, you are far less likely to find GPC members at a "PA gym", but you more so hear of PA lifters who train at "GPC/any" gym.

Perhaps us PA lifters are more judgmental on the whole?
 
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