*Takes a deep breath……*
I don't have an agenda here. But after reading the last spat of posts I thought I would voice my unimportant opinion.
Do you think that the 600 lifters that have chosen to lift in GPC did so, so they can use drugs?
I would suggest that at least some of them did. But then, who knows. Without it being a tested fed, all you can do is make hopeful guesses. Bottom line: there is only one drug tested fed. Powerlifting Australia. And even then it's not blanket testing, due to financial reasons (I suspect). But it does test division winners and all Open world record makers in international comps, plus a few random testings tossed in.
In reality, there are two types of federations on this planet. Tested and non tested. PA is the only tested fed in Australia. Period. Eventually, more so if you are successful, you will get tested, and possibly retested.
Gpc holds the best meets. Period.
That's why people join
We have no idea why people join, at least no definitive reason. People do not join CPC because it's "the best", otherwise everyone would be a member. They join for all sorts of reasons. I joined PA, not because it was a tested fed, I joined because I could lift 15 min down the road. It was pure convenience. I suggest that lifters who join GPC have equally diverse reasons.
If I lived in or near Carrum Downs, I am pretty sure I would be a PTC lifter. Marcos' gym must be one of the best gyms in Australia.
Just because Chris has decided to join GPC, and not PA, does not mean he has to be using PED's.
It means, he has decided to join the federation he believes has the best competition, or is going in the best direction.
Without an official statement, we can only assume or guess.
We are also not talking about the "balance in probability"....... But on the subject, I'd be happy to bet, in a random test within my federation, the result would be drug free.
I'll take that bet. $5000. Money on the barrel. Cash only as I don't want to have a cheque show up in my account. Make it all $50's please. No $100's. Send it that platinum express post service as you want good tracking. You can send it now before the results get in as its a cert and I don't want to miss out on the cheaper US air fares going right now. Always wanted to go to Vegas.
You blatantly asked, and in my eyes, implied (as you have many times before) that if you don't join PA, or are strong, you must be using drugs.
It's weak mate., and insulting to every lifter at GPC.
Without drug testing your athletes, is a fair assumption. It's easily fixed. Drug test your athletes.
all due respect,you brought Ed Coan out to Australia.great lifter.thanks for the vid/seminar.but..
Good point Gerry. And in response:
But what?
He is THE greatest of all time, a career spanning 27 years.
He knows my views on cheating, I made it very clear to him then, and 2 weeks ago on the phone.
The fact is, he is retired now, a wealth of knowledge and a very, very nice guy.
I'm excited at the possibility of hanging out with him at my house in a few months for another bbq, not many people get to say that in their lifetimes.
Quote from Coen's wiki page:
"Coan has failed drug testing through the IPF three times. The first time he was temporarily suspended in 1985 for the use of Deca-Durabolin, an anabolic steroid.[4]
In 1989, he was once again suspended due to a positive drug test.[5]
In 1996, at the IPF Men's Open World Championships in Salzburg, Austria, he tested positive once again and was issued a lifetime ban from the IPF.[6] Because this positive drug test occurred in a competition in which he placed first, his name and results have been retroactively removed from the 1996 results."
So I am kinda getting the impression that you would refuse membership to an IPF lifter who was banned for taking drugs. But you would have a bbq with one and call them "the greatest of all time" and "a very nice guy". Actually, I agree with you. I feel the same way about Ed's career. He certainly is one of the greats, but I draw the line at "all time". Because anyone who has been tested and passed clean who has lifted within 15% of his wilks numbers is as good as, or better, a lifter than Ed. Maybe we should have a Wilks/Gloss points system for weight, age and drug use. Maybe break the last one up into injectables and orals and another number for both.
Gerry also said,
im not hating,if theres no support for drug use in powerlifting from GPC,then i would suggest uniting up with PA and letting your athletes be drug tested.im not even hating on drug use in powerlifting lol,i think as long as its reasonably transparent and no pretence about being clean or whatever then its ok.
Well said Gerry.
I would also say that, if you are not drug testing your athletes, you have to assume that at least as many as are "pinged" in the IPF are going to be "pinged" in CPC or CAPO or PTC or whoever. But because NO ONE is tested, you have to assume that EVERYONE MIGHT BE a drug user. Ferk, if you have an old can of red bull at a comp, you will test positive for DMAA.
But, so as not to insult any individual, as I have said in a previous thread, there are no drug users or non drug users, there are only tested athletes and non tested athletes. Or, to be more precise, you either belong to a tested fed (PA) or you are in a non tested fed. No matter what the constitution of you fed may say, if you don't drug test your athletes you have no right to claim that one or all of your athletes are "clean".
If I am driving down the road in any Australian town, I may be passing a drink driver or I may be passing a sober driver. Chances are that they will be sober because we have breath testing. Yes, there are always dickheads who fail. Sometimes multiple times. But chances are that I am on the road with sober people.
In New Guinea, there are no drink driving laws. So I have to assume that EVERY driver is potentially pissed off their face. To assume anything else would be reckless on my part.
Just my opinon. No disrespect to Sticky or GPC/CAPO/PTC who do put on awesome comps and have some great lifters.
