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    Thanks for stopping in @JUST.BLAISE ; I think the BCAA quantities are fine. Afterall, the products are designed to be used together so you kind of have to take the total amount on board. Plus having it this way, my doses are split by about 2-3 hours which works out better than having 10+g in one go IMO.

    Fair point on the pricing, I'm not a believer that True Protein is out to rip any one off. The NZ WPI has been good value and then bringing out the Aus based stuff even cheaper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JUST.BLAISE View Post
    @BigMick I'm really surprised by your comments. When it comes to pricing we try and stay as competitive as possible and with a blend like this I think you're probably underestimating the costs involved. Yes you're correct that Dextrose is a cheap ingredient but everything else is pretty expensive. NZ WPI and BCAA's especially cost a lot. On top of that the cost of blending it, and using high quality ingredients like Stevia and Natural Cocoa for the flavouring all increase the final unit price. We never set out to be the cheapest and develop our range with quality in mind and developing supplements that are effective. Dextrose is included for it's use as a functional way of spiking insulin to help absorption and quickly replenishing glycogen levels, and we felt it was a core part of what people need in an all in one post workout blend.
    I fully understand the purpose of the dextrose, hence the reason I used to buy pure dextrose from the home brew section of Big W or the local home brew shop.

    NZ WPI is not cheap I agree, but you only get 392grams. Essentially this is a mass gainer formula. BCAA's are not cheap but not that expensive either. My point was that for a lot less you could but 1kg of NZ WPI, buy 2kg of dextrose, add 30 cents worth of creatine and essentially you have about 3kg of mass gainer for a similar price of 1kg.

    I understand you are in business to make money and I can see the convenience thing of the two products,I have tried your protein powders and found them to be tasty and of good quality, however in saying that personally I believe that 99.9% of supplements do not make any difference what so ever, unless you are deficient in something, ie BCAA's will only do something if you are short of protein, and do not consume enough protein from conventional sources. I do use the occasional protein shake when I feel I am a bit short on my intake, but this is very rare these days.

    I have not taken any supplants for approximately 12 months now apart from the occasional shake, and have noted zero difference in recovery, gains, the way I feel etc etc, then again I believe my diet is fairly well dialled in. I used to use a commercial pre-workout formula then take BCAA"s, EAA's, creatine during my workout mixed in my water bottle to sip during training and a post workout shake with 30grams of WPI, 5 grams creatine, glutamine and 30 grams of dextrose and never noted a difference of my current regime of a bottle of tap water during workout and dinner a short time later.
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    @BigMick It's a shame that when we develop a formula like this people are quick to pass judgement before even trialling the products in the way they are supposed to be taken. Price is subjective, and while you feel it is expensive I deal with people on a daily basis who find it good value. I've said from the start True Protein is not about being the cheapest supplements provider in Australia. The POST could be significantly cheaper if we used AUS WPC or Chinese creatine for example but instead we used NZ WPI and Creapure creatine as we wanted to make it a quality product with the best ingredients.


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    I am happy that people find that it works for them, and there will always be people that buy it and believe that it makes a difference to them, and in some cases it might, especially if their overall protein intake is low. At the end of the day any supplement is only food, there is nothing magical about WPI, no matter where it comes from, creatine is not magic, neither is dextrose.

    I have tried every supplement under the sun, and was on quite an extensive supplementation program in the past. The best I have ever felt was when I take no supplements and eat proper food, that has been processed as little as possible and mostly not altered from it's natural state. I know when I eat highly processed foods, and soft drinks, high sugar etc I usually feel under the weather slightly.

    If these products work for people and make them feel good, then they should buy them and use them. People are looking to supplements searching for the magic pill, there is no such pill, just train hard and eat right, that's all that is required. I just wish I had worked that out 25 years ago and I would have listened to people telling me this exact thing back then, but I had to try myself, as without doubt thousands will do, as they know better, of course a guy that has been there done that knows nothing….lol
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    So you're whinging that supplementation is stupid because it didn't work for you? There are so many other factors why things didn't work. Was your training and diet up to par? It's like people who take fat burners yet eat whatever and expect to get results.

    Supplementation is a way to dial in your macros, consume your macros with minimal excess calories and to get nutrients you can't get with a balanced diet (think of the amount of excess calories and meat you would have to consume to get a 5g dosage of BCAAs and creatine).


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    I can see this going round in circles, but all I'll say is that while you may not see benefits in supplements lots of people do. Without trialling it I guess it's impossible for you to know if it would be beneficial for you personally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by steveP View Post
    So you're whinging that supplementation is stupid because it didn't work for you? There are so many other factors why things didn't work. Was your training and diet up to par? It's like people who take fat burners yet eat whatever and expect to get results.

    Supplementation is a way to dial in your macros, consume your macros with minimal excess calories and to get nutrients you can't get with a balanced diet (think of the amount of excess calories and meat you would have to consume to get a 5g dosage of BCAAs and creatine).
    No offence but I have read some of your posts and it comes through that you really have no idea what BCAA's are apart what is printed on the glossy label of your supplements, all complete proteins contain BCAA's, 150 grams of chicken or beef will cover your daily BCAA's requirements, so if you have about 150-250 grams total of either beef, chicken, tuna, salmon etc your daily BCAA intake is MORE THAN covered for the day, the rest will be pissed out, even 120 grams of peanuts contain more BCAA's than the post workout shake, all meat you eat also contains creatine in the correct proportion.

    Going back to getting your 5 grams of BCAA's, 100grams of most meats will cover it, 100 grams of beef are about 250 calories, just over 5 grams of BCAA's and 25 grams of quality unprocessed complete protein, while your shake will have the same amount of BCAA's, similar calories and less protein, and cost about 5 times the price of my steak and all without the sugar.

    While your paying $49 for your 1kg of supplement I can buy 1kg of steak (food) in bulk for about $7-9 per kilo.
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