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More newbie questions from me regarding programs.

Novice gains program?

  • Wendler 5/3/1

    Votes: 2 100.0%

  • Lyle mcdonald Generic Bulking Routine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Layne Norton Power/hypertrophy split

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Texas Method

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    2
Silverback said:
"Re-invent the wheel", what the fuck does that even mean.

If you want to be as strong as an ox, you will lift and make it progressive and it will take years, you will be using mostly variations of multi joint exercises, some single and maybe one or two isolatory exercises barbells, dumbells and machines, including cables.

If you are not growing, ask yourself these question, in no order;

Am I working hard enough
am i eating enough
Am i getting enough sleep
Am I working out too much
Am I not working out enough
Is my workout too long
Is my workout too short


How much effort you place on a given workout is key.
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it means that you don't need to fuck around creating a program that may or may not be quite imbalanced or inefficient, when there are heaps out there that work and are proven. Linear progression also has its limits. Also makes life easier when you walk in there knowing exactly how many sets, reps and weight you should be moving.
 
bozodos said:
it means that you don't need to fuck around creating a program that may or may not be quite imbalanced or inefficient, when there are heaps out there that work and are proven. Linear progression also has its limits. Also makes life easier when you walk in there knowing exactly how many sets, reps and weight you should be moving.
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For a beginner; and when I state beginner, I mean a trainee that is not fully competent at performing exercise, there is an initial "break in" period that would need to be followed, the concern here is not progression, but merely becoming skilled at performing a given exercise, the time needed can vary between trainees.

once the neophyte becomes competent, the progression is the goal, and proggression will move very quickly, as in strength and mass will increase incredibly fast.

at this point creating a "program" or what I like to call, a template, is pretty basic.

working out what's efficiant and balanced is something each trainee should work out for themselves.

what I'm stating is that coming onto a forum for advise on which "program" to use and forum members giving advice without any knowledge of the trainee (injury, lifestyle, habits, seriousness, mental stability...) requires is just silly.
 
well you'd hope that any advice given here was taken as a general guide and not a written rule - after all what's to say that any of us actually lift?
 
Silverback said:
A lot of great lifters over the years cut their teeth on a basic plan of lifting and although they (as in most of these dudes) could of excelled on any template, they paid their dues on hard, hard work
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And a lot of terrible lifters over the years didn't know where to start and gave up because nobody would help them.

There's a lot those of us over 40 or so take for granted. One of these things is movement skills learned as kids. In school PE we jumped over vault bars, climbed ropes, did windsprints, played football, cricket, and all the rest. We learned how to move, some of us (like me) not as well as others of course, but we got the base. Nowadays most of that old PE is prohibited as horribly dangerous - remember the NSW primary school teacher on here who showed us that the primary school PE curriculum said "dangerous movements, such as burpees and deep knee-bends, are not allowed"? - and parents have their kids specialise in a sport from 6yo, or just keep them at home playing nintendo and eating chips.

Someone who grew up doing a bunch of different stuff will have the base of movement skills to do something like teach themselves a clean. Someone who grew up in front of the telly won't. Someone born in 1960 could read one magazine or lifting book and figure things out. Someone born in 1994, probably not.

Part of it's paralysis by analysis. But why do they analyse so much? Because they don't know where to start, they don't have the basic movement skills. "Figure it out for yourself" is thus basically saying, "fuck off, dumbarse." Which is not helpful.
 
No one is saying any program will lift itself

Enjoy whatever you choose OP, you will see the benefits of directing your focus via any of these programs
 
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